1972 Lincoln Cent ddo or md

I know 1972 has master doubled die also, so any thoughts on if this a true doubled or machine or master doubling?

 

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Tuff to tell from the pics but the TY does kinda look split at the tops. Nice coin regardless

 

no, not a DDO

 

I know this sounds ignorant, but why isn't it a ddo? What aspects make it machine doubled rather than a true doubled die.

When I look at the photos here, I can't tell the difference, especially in "God We Trust"

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1972&die_id=1972p1do004&die_state=eds

 

I don't even see any machine doubling. It looks like a normal cent for that year, except it's shinier, and in better shape than most that I find. The shiny ones can fool you with shadows especially with a USB microscope.
The illustrations from your link clearly show doubling on IGWT, your coin does not.

 

The pictures are too foggy, first of all, I mean to see the kind of detail we need to see. One thing you can concentrate on to differentiate the two is that in die doubling the '"top" image should always be intact. Two, the "bottom" image should sit just about as high off the coin. In strike doubling the "top" image is borrowed from in order to form the "bottom" image and as such is to that degree distorted or compromised.

 

Any recommendations on how to get better photo quality? (Digital cameras, distance, lighting, etc.)

 

I believe you may have something there. Clearer pictures would help but I think I see doubling on IN GOD . Have you tried matching up die markers, that should confirm what variety it may be

 

Trying to get some better photos. It does have the markers for ddo 004 (rim cud - I think you can make that oit in the second photo, scratches through N on reverse) but the odds of that would be slim, I know. I am going to try and scan in an image to see if that is any clearer.

I was seeing "something" in "In God" and "Lib" but as I have joked before, stare at anything long enough and you'll see Elvis on your pancakes.

 

I see some good doubling in GOD I think. You need better pictures for us to be certain.

 

Actually I can see in these pictures IN GOD is strike-doubling. In die-doubling the "top" or second impression to be punched should be completely full.

 

This is what the master die doubling looks like

 

View attachment 447328 Tried to eek out some better photos. My 3 year old was "helping" me and she said, "Mommy you didn't tell it to say cheese first. You have to say that or he won't smile".

Anyway, reading some more on machine and true doubling, I read that machine or strike doubling will reduce the size of the second imprint. Looking at my coin, the second image is not reduced, but rather enlarged. Anyone else see this, or is Elvis close to showing up in Lincoln's face?

 

There could be some doubling on LIBERTY, but it's probably MD. GOD looks like MD to me, and light tricks. If you look closely ylo will notice all the doubled parts are at a different elevation, or level than the primary lettering. On a true doubled die the doubled part, and the primary letters would be equal height (or more equal than yours..lol) with separation lines. Did you look on coppercoins.com, or doubledie.com and try to match it with any of the coins there? That would be the first thing I'd do. If you can't find it and you believe in the coin, you can send it to Mr. Wiles, or another attributor from Coneca for $4.00. There are books available too.

 

Probably cant tell because poor Quality PIC.. Where is the double die this Grading Company claims to be ???

 

The only one I have found to match the die markers and rotation is 004, the rarest of course.

I can certainly understand about how lighting can affect images, having taken so many of this coin, from every angle, upside down, backwards, sunlight, moonlight, no light...lol, but what I see as the doubling always is there.

This is the first coin I have actually considered sending in. But heck it takes me weeks to get up the nerve to post even a pic, actually sending one in, I don't know if I could handle the excitement
The R and S of Trust has given some really strange images, but these are the consistent ones.

 

I believe you have 72DDO, what variety I can't say for certain. I don't think anyone could say for certain from pictures. If you're confident it's a 004 variety I would take it to a trusted coin shop & get their opinion

 

Can you get a shot of the N in United?

 

You need to diffuse your light source. You can cover the bulb housings with coffee filters or stack a few books between the coin and light source then put the coin near the spines in the shadow that the book stack casts. This will reduce all that glare.

Get a good shot of that Y in liberty too please