Toners-Cause & Effect

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by tommyc03, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I had a roll of nice white B.U. Kennedys and decided 5 years ago to transfer from a plastic tube to a Whitman album, the only one I had at the time. I'm not big on toners but this one has some deep blue around the edges with some nice russet going inwards. Just thought I would share. Cause-the album, effect, a nice toner. Probably also being introduced to the air helped it along. img610.jpg img611.jpg
     
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  3. billy b

    billy b Active Member

    Tommy. I think you just might have coneca DDO-007. Nice coin maybe it's worth a closer look.
     
  4. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I'm not up on Kennedy doubled dies, where would I be looking for this one? I took a look before I 2x2'd it but I was in a rush also.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Pictures in 2X2 holders are useless, especially when talking about toning
     
  6. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Looks like a very nice toner Tommy. What environment was the Whitman stored?
     
  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Tommy, did you intend that they tone when you transferred them, or did you just transfer them and are now pleasantly surprised that they toned? If the former, they're AT, if the latter, they're NT, on any standard contemplating intent. Right?
     
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  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Going back a couple of years ago, I read an article on rim toning on the 64 Kennedy half and it said the toning was caused by improper alloy mixture ..
     
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  9. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Stored in a cabinet where it was dry. This one was on the outer edge of the album so maybe the environment did have a lot to do with the toning.
     
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  10. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    No, not intentionally. I was never a big fan on toners.I did not like that I had them in a plastic styrene tube where the plastic might have affected them or they might rub on each other, but it happened anyways in the album. I have to say though that I am pleased with the effect now.
     
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  11. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I would transfer that into an airtite before it turns completely black.
     
  12. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    I agree, It's at a nice point in the toning (I bet it looks much nicer in hand than the pictures show), that deep blue may goto black.
     
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  13. billy b

    billy b Active Member

    Sorry Tommy I'am a dumb edit - rules I thought it was a D.
     
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  14. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    The deep blue is very nice but does not show well through the flip.
     
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  15. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I know, but I was afraid of scratching it on the flat bed scanner. Glass or not.
     
  16. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    As long as it has been removed from the environment of the foreign contaminant, the toning should stop. The contaminant is no longer present, so the reaction shouldn't keep progressing.

    And if the contaminant is still present, putting it in an airtight won't stop the toning, since the contaminant is already on the surface of the coin...
     
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  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Those pictures are a tease, I wanna see the color in all its glory!
     
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  18. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    It won't stop until the coin is as protected from air as much as possible. Since hydrogen sulfide is the main cause of silver toning and it's prevalent in air. A rinse with acetone and direct placement into an airtite WILL basically stop the toning right where it's at now. It will not proceed at a pace worth mentioning.
     
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  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    makes sense
     
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  20. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Ha ha ha! Funny!

    I've stored my Silver Eagles in Albums for better than 15 years and not a single one has what would be considered "nice" toning.

    I have a Kennedy collection in a Whitman Album that's been there since 2004 and none have what could be considered "nice" toning. Even the silver coins are flat and lifeless.

    I WISH they would tone and anybody that can have a coin tone up like Tommy's did in 5 short years is my hero! AND, regardless on intent, the coins are NT "unless" tommy only filled every other hole and then stuck some type of toning agent in the empty holes. Then it would be AT.

    But then, folks should NOT get so hung up on whether or not something is AT or NT or whether or not it has an MS70 or MS64 grade. The basic tenant of a collector is to acquire and order so that s/he can proudly state that "I have 1 of every one ever made!" AND "Each one is in the best possible condition that I could find!"

    Many, many, many, many, coins which have been "assisted" in their path toward toning excellence have made it unquestioned through the hands of some very famous and popular collectors "simply because the coin represented the Brad Pitt (or Angelina Jolie) of coins. (i.e. it looked purty!)
     
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