Full Torch

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  1. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I'm not very familiar with the designation. Would this be considered Full Torch? It's a little blurry, but it's the best I could do. 1949-s.jpg
     
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  3. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    The vertical lines are there they just didn't show in the photo.
     
  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Are you thinking FB or Full Bands? If so, this is not an FB coin. They are looking for the Horizontal bands to be full snd complete and separate on both the top and bottom as they go across the torch. I can see the band but they do not look separate to me.
     
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  5. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    Isn't the FT designation used on Roosevelt dimes?
     
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    furham Good Ole Boy

  7. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    The section between the leaves looks kinda smooth....

    Should say lacking in detail as opposed to smooth
     
  8. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    NGC uses Full Torch and PCGS uses Full Bands.
    I believe either is correct.
     
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  9. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

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  10. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    The top bands are worn but look to be separate to me. The bottom band does not. There is a bit of glare to the left and a small glare, or nick, to the upper right of the lower band that your camera shows. A change in your camera angle could make a difference @furham. Good luck, as always thanks for sharing.
     
  11. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Needs better lighting but I think it is a complete design.

    However, this may be a proof dime ( S mint mark, and rims look squared).
    That means as a proof it would not qualify for FB or FT from either PCGS or NGC.
    The reasoning is simple: all proof dimes are produced with complete designs, ergo, they will not put the designation on the slab label.

    The exception pertains to impaired proofs, I suppose, but not too many impaired proofs are submitted for encapsulation.
    …imo…Spark
     
  12. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    This is not a proof. It is a 1949-S and there were no proofs made that year. The S mintmark didn't appear on proof Roosevelts until 1968.
     
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  13. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    The separation in the bands must extend all the way across to be FB at PCGS. The entire torch has to be complete at NGC but, I believe, they are a little more forgiving on the lower bands.

    This bands are complete on the left side but the right is indeterminant and will require another picture.
     
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  14. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    As others have posted, I don't believe any of the TPG would label it as FT as the horizontal lines are not complete the entire way. JMHO
     
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