1914 D Lincoln ...My Rough Rider!

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What's your opinion of Counterfeit Coins?!!

Poll closed Oct 26, 2015.
  1. Low as you can go, way too much work and risk so why do it?

    33.3%
  2. Acknowledge that counterfeiting is woven into our coinage history (supply & demand)

    50.0%
  3. Would never do it, but still mildly intrigued about the whole process

    33.3%
  4. Would never do it, but nonetheless, absolutely fascinated by it!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Would do it too if I had the means and the knowhow, even considering the risk!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Jupiter88

    Jupiter88 "Chingalinga"

    Found this one in the "loose coin" part of my Pop's collection, just popped up in the old cigar box when I was digging around for another that caught my eye ...I call him my "Rough Rider" because, well see for yourself :)


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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Poor 44D....I got excited for a second :)
     
  4. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    looks like a 1944 that the 1st 4 was cut away to look like a 1. wait for other opinions
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Shell-casing brass cents, 1944–1946
    That looks like a shelled casing 1944 that was altered :confused:
     
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  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I'd say the give away is the space between the 9 and the so called 1 ...
     
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  7. Jupiter88

    Jupiter88 "Chingalinga"

    Trust me, me too... the rough condition made me slightly want to believe the scratches near the date had a reason to be there, but then the spread between the 9 and 1 and then there's the small matter of the tiny "vdb" on the shoulder that I finally located :)
     
  8. Jupiter88

    Jupiter88 "Chingalinga"

    Do you think they removed a layer of metal, to perhaps try and distract certain counterfeit elements going ? The peely look is very bizarre looking?
     
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  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    fake, altered from a 1944
     
  10. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    This is what a real 1914 cent should look like.
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    On the OPs cent, the 9 and the 1 are much too far apart, caused by removal of a part of the 4.
     
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  11. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Great minds think alike ....
     
  12. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    What did you call me?! Speak for yourself. :D
     
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  13. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Sorry to pile on, but they are correct. You can see where the "1" is altered and the "D" MM is too close to the date compared to genuine 1914 D cents.
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    A common counterfeit.
     
  15. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Cut it in half and throw it into the garbage. These altered 14D's have ruined more than one ignorant persons view of collecting.
     
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  16. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Should add, it's not a counterfeit, it's a fake. Counterfeit coins are those that are intended to be passed-off as legal tender in transactions for goods/services. Fakes are coins intended to deceive the numismatic community.
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Sorry, my mistake. I meant to say a common forgery.
     
  18. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I wouldn't go as far as Thad. I say put in a flip and label it a bad fake, made by removing, (poorly), part of the first 4. No one with any sense will ever get taken by it. Btw OP, another trick to spot these is the shoulder will have V.D.B on it, where real 14d cents did not.
     
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  19. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    What about 10, 50, or a 100 years from now? If it's not destroyed, I guarantee it will cause someone grief someday.
     
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  20. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Considering I personally own maybe 8 of these from old collections, I don't think it's much of a concern. There are thousands upon thousand of these out there. This one is much worst than most.

    I am usually one to always advocate stamping copy on fakes, it's just this one was so bad I don't know how it would fake anyone.
     
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  21. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    I think our biggest concern and challenge is the advances being made in altering, casting, faking etc. coins, and currency notes. People who examine coins report finding constant improvements to the point where they are almost indistinguishable from genuine products. Yikes!
     
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