How long has NGC done the "Early Release" label?

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  1. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Hello,

    I am putting together a collection of Certified MS-69 NGC ER (Early Release) American Silver Eagles and have a 2007 MS-69 ER that I wish to trade for a 2006 MS-69 ER, my only question is, how long has NGC done the ER labels?

    I rather know the exact year they started then rather search for a label that doesn't exist.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    around 2004
     
  4. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Well that was easy... thank you :)
     
  5. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Good luck on your quest ...
     
  6. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Thanks. Now my only question is, is their a price premium for the farther you go back with the ER's?
     
  7. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Excuse me but NGC started with a "First Strike"™ Label in 2005. I believe they continued through 2006 until a lawsuit was filed in late 2006.

    They were being sued for misleading information (i.e. First Strike) and lost. Part of the settlement was an agreement to NOT use the term First Strike™ on their slab labels unless it could be proven that the coin was the first struck from new dies. They then changed the label to "Early Release" leaving First Strike™ to PCGS who clearly states on their label theat the coin within the slab was submitted within a 30 day time from of its release..

    You should NOT be able to find any Early Release 2005 - 2006 Kennedy's unless the coin(s) has/have been reholdered.

    http://www.lipcon.com/our-firm-in-the-news/ngc-settles-first-strikes-laws/
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    PCGS started the First Strikes nonsense in 2005. NGC followed suit in 2006. Due to the lawsuit they switched to Early Release in 2007. Beginning in I believe 2014 you could get either First Strike or Early Release.

    Now as to how far back you can find Early Release ASE's, you can get them all the way back to 1986 I believe. One of the ways to get the Early Release label was to submit unopened monster boxes and if the packing label inside the box was dated before Jan 30th the coins could receive Early Release labels. Once the Early Release fad took off a lot of dealers and hoarders started sending in their older boxes. And since may of these boxes were packed as much as five months before the date on the coins, a lot of them were eligible for Early Release. So you will find plenty of ER ASE's dated before 2006/07.
     
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  9. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Well I have one member who says no but he refers to Kennedy's... the other says yes... ???????? o_O
     
  10. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    "First Strike" and "Early Release" were initially programs started for bullion coins only.

    I know that PCGS expanded their First Strike program to include literally ANYTHING submitted for grading within 30 days of its release.

    Now that think of it, I could not say for sure that any Early Release Kennedy's exist prior to 2011? which is around when PCGS started their program expansion. BTW, First Strike has to be requested at PCGS in addition to an $18 per coin charge.

    As for coins with earlier dates? Conder is correct in that the program (for PCGS) started on 2005 but if a sealed green monster box was submitted for grading which had a dated quality control slip inside of it, the coins could then qualify for First Strike label.

    The last time I'd checked, the earliest Silver Eagles in First Strike Slabs were 1988's.
    The current Pop Reports still show only 1988 SAE's with First Strike.

    It's really only a marketing scheme but there are folks out there that collect slab labels and not necessarily the coins within the labels. I imagine that if a collector had a sealed and dated original shipping bix of uncirculated sets that they could get First Strike or Early Release labels but then, I jumped off that ship about 5 years ago.

    As for my earlier reply regarding Kennedy's? I don't know what the he'll I was thinking other than I had Kennedy's on my brain when I replied.
     
  11. Themadhouse6

    Themadhouse6 New Member

    NGC started early release program in 2006
     
  12. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    For too long, really.

    It's all marketing hype, and too many suckers have fallen for PT Barnum's bait.
     
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  13. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    PT Barnum's bait? You mean David Hannum?
     
  14. Themadhouse6

    Themadhouse6 New Member

     
  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    No, I mean PT Barnum. Hannum allegedly made the comment you are referring to when talking about Barnum.
     
  16. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    I'm a big fan of getting the much rarer First First release sticker. (yes it's a bad photoshop job but I did it like 2 minutes).
    FirstReleasesLabel copy.jpg
     
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  17. fish4uinmd

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  18. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    MUCH more valuable than the Second First Release! :banghead:
     
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  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Really not even sure what you are trying to say anymore, as the first sentence of the article you posted says ""There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase most likely spoken by David Hannum, in criticism of both P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid 19th century, and his customers. The phrase is often credited to Barnum himself. It means "Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue.""
     
  20. JAS0N888

    JAS0N888 Member

    Honestly i wish NGC would just do the standard brown label only. just too many cheesy picture designs i`ve seen from them lately.
     
  21. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Ok, that takes of that

    Ok so NGC did have their "Early Release" labels in 2006 but only for a short time. So is that a confirmation on 2006? Because I'm more confused now then I was before I asked this question?!?!?!?
     
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