Need Attribution of Ancient Greek

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Oct 2, 2015.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I purchased this coin because of the horseman on the reverse. The obverse could well be Alexander. It weighs 8.63 g. Hope you could assist me in the attribution. Thanks.. BGrAl.jpg BGrAl R.jpg BGrAl 600.jpg
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    It's Philip II, the father of Alexander the Great. The lettering is a bit soft, but if you look closely, you should be able to make out ΦIΛIΠΠOY. Looks like you have a star or thunderbolt under the horse. These come with many different control marks, but we have no idea what they signify.
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hi Charles ... is it bronze, silver, or other?

    Philip II AE18 Unit
    359-336 BC
    Apollo & Youth on Horse

    greena a.jpg greenb a.jpg


    Kingdom of Macedonia, Philip II, AR Tetradrachm
    336-328 BC
    Zeus & Youth on Horse

    ancienthorsea.jpg ancienthorseb.jpg


    Fourree Kings of Macedon, Philip III
    323-317 BC
    Fourree Philip III & Horse w. rider

    Kings of Macedon Fourree.jpg


    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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  5. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thank you both masters and friends. The coin has a yellowish color, almost like brass. Here's a closer scan of the reverse at 600 dpi. BGrAl R600.jpg
     
  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Its a copper alloy, but if cleaned can look like brass. I am unsure of the specific alloy they used.
     
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  7. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    it looks like you may have a little bronze disease there 7C, you may want to check that and treat if needed.
     
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  8. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Hope i do not sound as a spoiler, but i do not like this coin a bit ! The portrait looks generally OK, but the hair looks odd and the wear distribution is strange. The horseman side looks overal soft and bubbly, with the exeption of part of the sharp circular edge. Lastly the metal should not look like yellow brass.
    In my opinion, based on these scans, this is a modern fake.
     
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  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't think it's fake. These are far too common to make forgery worthwhile.

    But I do think it was cleaned by electrolysis, stripping it of any patina, hence the raw metal color and bronze disease. It also looked like someone practiced their tooling skills on the bust.

    There are more than a handful of dealers in the ME who just love to doctor their wares, and you occasionally come across these "practice coins." (I mention the ME because I believe our friend Charles hails from Lebanon.)
     
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  10. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Good luck for me anyway.. Philip II, father of Alexander the Great, is the oldest coin in my possession.
     
  11. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I don't like it either. It looks soft with buubles and therefore cast to my eyes. The edge would be interesting to see.
     
  12. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I managed to scan a part of the edge, at 600 dpi. Hope it could help. EdgeScan.jpg
     
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