Accugrade slab (is this version 1?)

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  1. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    I'm a purist - to be a sample slab it must say "SAMPLE". A promotional slab is one that is designed to promote a business (including the grading company) and may or may not say "SAMPLE".

    "Compliments of Mad Marty" is a promotional. "Complements of Bowers and Morena" is a promotional.

    Here the actual coin is graded, the slab doesn't say "SAMPLE" and the back label doesn't match one of the know ACCUGRADE forms, rather it has the name and address of a coin dealer. So it's a promotional slab and not a sample.

    My collection, my rules :)

    FWIW, Accugrade had their own grading system, which is explained in the book and on the reverse of labels prior to this generation (where only the obverse of the coin was shown).

    My guess? Somebody handed over a roll of Ikes and a few $s and had them graded and slabbed to promote their business. Gave them out to their best customers as a reminder of who they are. Just like any other spiff.


    FWIW - and unfortunately dated since the author is no longer with us, you can see a couple ACG samples here: http://sampleslabs.com/acg.html
     
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  3. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Thank you Burton, you have answered my question AND some..... 1 more quiz about this holder if you dont mind me asking: if you say this style is similiar to ACG 5 could you give me a ballpark guess-timation on what year this was slabbed possibly? I am really digging this slab and I could see myself buying any other photo-slabs i encounter
     
  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    I just read all of that mess and let me tell you, i havent laughed like that forever. Those threads are gold lol.
     
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  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Did you see this?
     
  6. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    HAHA yes i saw his "muvee" lol. Ah man i wish i was here when this was going on. I would have offered him $50 lol :hilarious:
     
  7. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Yea, i got a nice laugh AND got to learn all about accugrade and their owner..... A comical history lesson if you will:bookworm::jimlad:
     
  8. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    The best part in that whole muvee is when he drops the atom bomb on the steps of the lincoln memorial....shows the carnage, and says: (is this the future?) KaaaaaBoooom!!
    A nice little twist!
     
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  9. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Sure...

    Conder's book (now out of print) says ACG5:

    "Large slab now with obverse and reverse photos. Back has full address in Greenwich CT. Used 1985-86. Possibly a little longer."

    He has the ACG1 (ACCUGRADE-nn + Greenwich CT address) as used in '84 and ACG2 (ACCUGRADE CONNECTICUT label) as 1985.
     
  10. Davidschwager

    Davidschwager Member

    Burton knows samples.

    In case anyone finds it useful, here are a few definitions from the glossary of the Sample Slabs book. The items below are meant not as authoritative pronouncements but as general guidelines we may find helpful when discussing our collections. The type of slab depends less on the appearance of the holder than on the intent of the issuer.

    Club slab: Like a promotional slab (see below) but promotes or commemorates a non-commercial numismatic organization, such as a local coin club.

    Luncheon slab: A coin holder given by a grading service to customers attending a lunch event. The events are usually at large coin shows, especially the Florida United Numismatists (FUN) show in January. The customers are usually members of the service’s collector club or owners of registry sets.

    Novelty slab: A holder that does not exist to provide a grade and guarantee of authenticity and also does not fall into any other category. For example, some commemorate events while others were made to amuse their owners.

    Photoslab: A photoslab holds both a coin and a photograph. The photo is usually of the enclosed coin or a coin similar to the one enclosed. This was intended to combine the benefits of an early ANACS-style photocertificate with the benefits of a later PCGS-style sealed slab. Examples include holders from Global, INGS, and the early days of PCI.

    Promotional slab: A holder that advertises a business other than a grading service. For example, a coin dealership may put its name on a label and give the holder to potential customers.

    Production slab: A regular slab that is not a sample or one of the other categories listed here. That is, a production slab serves the usual purposes of authentication, grading, and preservation.

    Sample slab: A coin holder given away as an example of a grading service’s work. It often, but not always, has the word “sample” on the label.

    Show slab: The label mentions a coin show. These are usually souvenirs of the show instead of advertisements for the show.

    YN slab: Short for Young Numismatist, certifiers give YN slabs to children who attend coin shows, often only to those who complete a class, scavenger hunt, or other task.
     
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  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    And to give credit where credit is due, David's about to throw the book at the hobby when its published next month.

    The funny thing about David's set of definitions is if you look really carefully sometimes you can find three-fer. Some years the PCGS luncheon slabs say sample and some don't... Not sure about a four-fer

    But that's another thread...
     
  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Well as usual I got here late. This is what I would call an Advertising Slab (I lump Davidswagers Club slab, Promotional Slab, and Show slab together inder the heading of Advertising. They are intended to advertise for the person of event passing them out.)

    I would agree that is is of the ACG 5 generation style holder. I don't think I have ever seen an advertising slab from ACG before (May I use the images?). Under my cataloging system this would be ACG 1A5

    David's Luncheon and YN slabs I categorize as Presentation slabs, a small production slab presented only to attendees of a specific event or for the accomplishment of a given task. Kind of they have to be "earned". The PCGS collectors clubs slabs would also fall under this heading.
     
  13. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Thank you guys so much for the info,it blows my mind that my $10 pickup ended up being a new discovery and i would be honored to let you use the images although im sure Burton will have better ones( I couldnt resist his offer) i guess i wont be seeing another one of these again
     
  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    When you do a search on the address you come up with McIntire Numismatic Auctions inc. Seems to have had some legal issues.
     
  15. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Seems every other coin business has some legal issue..... I wonder if its because playing with money can make you greedy, like the sickness that lies upon gold in the Hobbit
     
  16. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Certainly it does seem like a lot of coin related businesses go through a lot of churn.

    At ANA there was an exhibit on sample slabs that indicated that PCI had gone out of business in 2010. That's technically true but there have been at least 2 possibly 3 reincarnations of the business since then. And I've seen at least one example that indicates they're still around.

    With regard to this particular business it's possible that they changed their business model and their name, or it could just happen to have been another coin related business of the same address...

    Regardless they've gone about a hundred and eighty degrees the other direction and the site is today the Love the Gospel Church. I wonder if the ghost of mammon still inhabits the space...
     
  17. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    I beleive that this is the first version for ACCUGRADE.
    I just picked this up at Long Beach coin show 9/19/2015


    AGC 1834 5D AU55 obv.jpg


    ACG 1834 5D AU55 rev.jpg
     
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  18. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Nice pickup.

    Did you notice that the s/n on the photo doesn't match the s/n on the slab?
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    ACG 2 There are actually two generations before that one, ACG 1 and one that turned up after the book came out.
     
  20. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Thanks, Yes I saw that the s/n's did not match.
    Now I wonder what the 1st photo slab looks like.
    Can you post a picture of one. or the two that came before this 1834 $5 gold.
    Does anyone know why the s/n's don't match? shoud they?
     
  21. Davidschwager

    Davidschwager Member

    That was a good find, Robert Paul. When we talked at Long Beach the other day, you told me you were thinking about buying it.
     
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