You finally made me do it!

I assume the strongest of the three strong-suits must be "good-times".

 

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Hey, everybody has got to pick a Major & Minor in College ...

=> I made the fricken Dean's List for "good times" my friend!!

 

I can believe it, lil bro.

 

The time frame for "Medieval" depends on where you are and what culture you are talking about.

In the strictest euro-centric sense the medieval period beings when the caleder rolls over AD 476. With the fall of the Western Roman Empire. So in effect the medieval period refers to the period after the fall of Rome and the Fall of Constantinople ( AD 1453) or Columbus' discovery of India (AD 1492).

The "dark ages" is a fairly modern construction, and refers to the loss of ancient knowledge, warfare, and disease that erased most of the ancient knowledge in Europe. I'd like to think the dark ages ended with the restoration of Europe's population or the reintroduction of the ancient lost knowledge preserved by the Muslims.


Even in the dark ages the light was on somewhere.

I have a great many dark age coins.

 

Thanks for your view of the topic, my awesome Noobish friend!!

Oh, and you certainly do seem to flock-toward this shady time-period, eh? (very cool coin-niche => you rock!!)



I have a first edition from my hero, David Sear => "Byzantine Coins & Their Values" (1974, Seaby) ... where he classifies coins from Anastasius-I (491 AD) though the capture of Constantinople by the Turks ... Constantine-XI (1453 AD)

So again => the Byzantine Period seems <=> The Medieval Period

 

It is medieval Islamic well preserved coin minted in Tabarastan by Sulayman ( one of famous ruler in near east ). Special issue as it has shape of bust what is not Islamic stile. As such it is standard quolity for standard collection. Standard price 60 - 90 $.

 

Coin belong to KHURSID last memeber of Dabuyed of Tabaristan ( mideddle Persia ) - AD 734 - 761. As a child come to throne and suppervised by uncle till his fourten. Unsucesfull tried to go out of vassale statement to Caliphate traying diplomatic support by Tang Chine. Abasids conquered his country in AD 759 - 760. Most his family was captured. He fled to Daylam where he died. As such coins is not ancient and is not Greek. But it is important, scarce and well preserved.

 

Wow! That dog in your new avatar sure must love to eat. Ha, ha!

 

Sorry Daniel, but I change my underwear fairly often (*edit* ahaha, did I say "underwear" => I meant avatar!!) ... but this must have been the poor hound that you were referring to, eh? (it's not my dog => but "yes" it looks quite content)

 

There is no firm date where one might have said "and today begins a middle age". The same is true for the so-called Byzantine empire. In reality there was only a single Roman empire which began with Augustus in 27 BC and ended with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. Indeed, the notion of a separately considered "Byzantine" polity is first introduced by historians only in 1555. For numismatists, the monetary reform of Anastasius in 498 is a convenient jumping-off point. Historians, less concerned with the coinage, may cite 476 when the last western emperor was deposed as a major turning point, or the death of Theodosius in 395 after which east and west were permanently divided, or even 330 when Constantine moved the capital from Rome to Constantinople. The advent of Islam, which counts it's beginning from Muhammad's flight to Medina in 622, is considered another dividing line between what we might call "late antiquity" and the "middle ages". The coin which began this thread is Islamic and to most, therefore, "medieval" while it's Sasanian prototype would be classed as "ancient".

 

Should the Sasanian prototype be classed as ancient even though the date is after the 622 proposed? Or would you consider the prototype to be a coin of Khusro II? If so he died in 628, still after the 622 date. I believe there is only one Roman Empire that was formed in BC 27 and fell in AD 1453.

For those who may not know there are quite a few Sasanian kings who reside firmly in the Ancient Period.

 

Awesome, thanks dltsrq ...

=> well then, as far as my sweet "coins" are concerned, Sear nailed it with 498 AD (Anastasius)

Amazingly, I don't have an Anastasius follis example "yet" ... so I guess my pizza-esque Justinian-I example would be considered my first Byzy and/or my first medieval coin, eh?



Man, my OCD really wants a confirmed date/cutoff (funny how my heads works at times ... kinda scary, actually)

 

If you need a defined cut-off, I have always used 500-1500 for the medieval period just for simplicity's sake. You've read all the arguments above and can follow whatever you like, but you'll still be looking at about the same time period as being 'medieval.' (And never use the term 'dark ages' to a medievalist - we hate that! Even if it's to describe the lack of primary sources, it still brings connotations with it that are often incorrect...)

 

Anastasius (491-518 AD)
AE Small Module 40 nummis (Follis)
struck 498-507 AD
23.8 mm x 12.43 grams
Obverse: Diademed bust of Anastasius- DN ANASTASIVS AV
Reverse: Large M flanked by Stars, Delta Officina - NIC, cross above
ref# SB32

 

Ooops, I guess I do have an Anastasius follis example, but it is pretty hard to tell, eh?



Yup, HERACLIUS stomped all over it!! (but it's still pretty fricken cool)

 

Awesome new coin to start your collection C N, their maybe lines between ancient and medieval, but we welcome all to the dark side here!!

 

It's about which authority issued the coin. The first coins issued in the near east under explicit Muslim authority probably date from the 650s or so. I mentioned the year 622 for the benefit those who may not have realized that Islam did not exist before the 7th century. If you see a coin with Arabic inscriptions, it is almost certainly "medieval" or later. So yes, some "ancient" coins were issued later than some "medieval" coins. In those areas of India which eventually came under Islam, "medieval" is effectively synonymous with "Islamic", leaving many coins of the 10th, 11th and 12th centuries to be classed as "ancient". That's the problem, of course. The terms "ancient" and "medieval" were meant to describe Europe and, as others have already suggested, become less meaningful the further away we move geographically.

 

I kinda take the theory that the Dark Ages run from the Late 1st C. BCE to the Late 18th Century - The dates when the Republic DIED, and when Republics were Reborn. VERY few Republics where the People determined their Government in-between those dates... But, that is my theory...

 

Gah! You said the 'D-A' words!

 

Yup: Government NOT by the People is Tyranny and the Dark Ages (your D-A?) of Mankind