Romanus I Follis

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  1. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    A New Byzantine Follis

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    Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, with Romanus I. 913-959. Æ Follis (27mm, 9.32 g, 6h). Constantinople mint. Struck 931-944. Crowned bust of Romanus I facing, holding labarum and globus cruciger / Legend in four lines. DOC 25a; SB 1760. VF, brown patina with earthen highlights/deposits.

    From the Prue Morgan Fitts Collection.

    Illustrated in Prue Morgan Fitts’ forthcoming book, The Beginner's Guide to Identifying Byzantine Coins (London, Spink, 2015).

    Obverse: + RωMAN’ bASILЄVS RωM’ (“Romanus, King of the Romans”)

    Reverse: + RωMA / N’ ЄN ΘЄΟ bA / SILЄVS Rω / MAIωN
    (“Romanus, by the grace of God, King of the Romans”)



    I think it was a pretty good buy for $18.27 + $5 shipping, seeing as it sold for $60 + fees just over 2 months ago on CNG. they probably could have gotten more if they would have included a little more information. lol..

    http://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=288217
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2015
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, especially the obverse.
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It's a good Byzantine. I too like the obverse and the price was outstanding.
     
  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I agree with everyone else---CONGRATS arnoldoe!!!!
     
  6. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Hey, I've got one of those! Yours is a whole lot nicer though
    romanuslekapenusfolliscombined.jpg
    Byzantine Empire, Romanus I Lekapenos (With Constantinus VII), AE follis, 931-944 AD, Constantinople; Obv: + RwmAn bASILEVS Rwm, bearded, crowned bust facing, wearing jeweled chlamys, holding labarum and globus cruciger; Rev: + RwmA / n En θEw bA / SILEVS Rw / MAIwN in four lines within circle; DOC 562, 25; Sear 1760; Ratto 1866; Overstruck on another follis
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    Mine is the same coin .... sort of, anyway. What is really special about arnoldoe's coup is that it is NOT really messed up by being overstruck. My coin is Constantine VII Sear 1761 overstruck on the Romanus I Sear 1760 which shows clearly on the reverse upper right (actually a lot more clear than the top line of arnoldoe's coin). The reason I bought mine is the way it shows both the RWM and CON on the reverse. I do think that the new one has some undertype messsing it up but very, very little for these. Sear says they are overstruck on Sear 1729. My obverse shows the undertype +RW upside down at the very bottom and then the +C at 8 o'clock followed by two different sections from the two bASILEVS strikes. The cross on top of Romanus' crown shows between the S and I at 10 o'clock. It is no wonder that this new coin made the book. Coins with so much detail from only one strike are the exception. My messy one is the norm.
    Would I pay $23.27 for the coin? Yep! Mine was $25 in 1993. This is the kind of coin people should know better than to consign to big sellers like CNG. Their clientele is not known for bidding up coins with hard to read reverses and dirty recesses even if they are special in some way as this one most certainly is.
     
  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Sharp! Its always a pleasure to see nice Byzantine coins! Excellent score.
     
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  9. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I collect Constantine VII because its on his coins Christopher first appears, (Xristofer), though rarely. Christopher was a son of Romanus. Interesting history, Romanus trying to displace the rightful Constantine of his throne, but Constantine hung in there long enough to get rid of him and his kids. I wished they made a bronze Christopher, but only gold and silver.
     
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  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    very nice coin arnold!

    on my list to get, i bid on one of these pretty recently but didn't get it.:(
     
  11. Hispanicus

    Hispanicus Stand Fast!

    Arnoldoe,
    It's not often I see an intact portrait on the obverse. Congratulations on a beautiful coin.
     
  12. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    That was extremely cheap if you paid around 20 dollars for that giving its grade and the obvious legends on the obverse side.

    Mine Romanus is in a lesser grade:

    920-944 Romanos I Lecapenus 30 S1760.JPG

    I think I paid 30 euro for that. I don't know how much I paid excatly for that one above as i paid 70 euro for a lot of 3 coins in an auction. The two others were:


    A Teophilos with obvious legends:
    829-842 Theophilos 20 S1667.JPG


    and a mediocre Leo IV 886-912 Leo IV 21 S1729.JPG
     
  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yup, I watched the bidding on that coin and saw that someone got a real bargain on it. I'm glad it was one of our CT family.
     
  14. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    It arrived yesterday and looks good
    yeah, I think that appears to be what is understruck on my coin

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  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    That's a very cool addition, arnoldoe ... neat dissecting and explanation (interesting)

    Sadly, I don't have an example of Constantine VII (*rats*) ...

    Ummm, but I do have a couple of examples the "sandwich" this time frame (wanna see 'em?)


    Leo VI the Wise AE Follis
    Constantinople mint
    Struck 908-912 AD
    886-912 AD
    Diameter: 25 mm
    Weight: 6.40 grams
    Obverse: Crowned bust facing, holding akakia
    Reverse: +LЄOҺ/ ЄҺ ӨЄO ЬA/SILЄVS R/OmЄOҺ in four lines
    Reference: DOC 8; SB 1729
    Other: 6h ... rough red-brown surfaces

    Leo VI the Wise.jpg

    Anonymous Folles, Basil II & Constantine VIII
    Æ26 (Class A3)
    Constantinople mint
    circa 1020-1028
    Diameter: 26 mm
    Weight: 7.04 grams
    Obverse: Facing bust of Christ Pantokrator
    Reverse: Legend in four lines; ornament above and below
    Reference: DOC A2.40; SB 1818
    Other: 6h … dark gray-brown and red-brown patina

    Anonymous Folles basil II & Constantine VIII Krist.jpg


    ... sorry arnoldoe, but I rarely get a chance to let these coins out to run around and play (thanks)

    :rolleyes:
     
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  16. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    That is a great price especially when it sold for over $60 (with buyers premium). Seen too many coins that was bought on auction and subsequently sold on ebay for far less. Here is my specimen:

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