opinions on this toning?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Blue Lue Boyle, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. I know, there's a lot of subjectivity w/ toned coins, but I'm just interested in what people think of this 1967 Centennial Penny. I've had a bunch of these in jar for decades, and some of them aged in an unattractive way, but this one actually looks nice to me, personally, I like how there's that beam of luster amid the tarnish on the side with the dove.

    Also, on the obverse, there is cartwheel luster when I rotate the coin under the light, but I couldn't capture that very well, so I don't know if it might be an uncirculated coin, some of my Centennial coins were uncirculated, but I didn't take the best care of the lot, and kind of mixed and matched circulated with uncirculated ones when I was a kid.

    Anyways, any thoughts on this coin? Thanks, all.
     

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  3. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Nice, original very pritty toning.
    I love this kind of slight coloration.
     
  4. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    I like the obv. side. The rev. side looks unattractive to me. I would grade it AU58.
     
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  5. I appreciate that, guys.
     
  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    This isn't really "toning." It is the coin changing color, but not because of thin film interference. The red band you see is the copper's original color. The brown areas are the areas oxidized (on a barely circulated coin like this, the portions of the fields which had been touched will change color first due to the oils or contaminants in a persons hand). The coin looks like an average AU cent.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm not sure what you mean by saying that really isn't toning. No, it's not colorful toning, but it is most definitely toning all the same. It is merely the common brown toning that almost all copper coins undergo - circulated or unciruclated.
     
  8. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Is loss of luster considered toning?

    I always looked at situations like this as a loss of the bright red thin outer layer from the coin being struck, which exposes the normal dull metal underneath. Kind of like the loss of silver color on billon coins.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's not the loss of an outer layer, it's merely the changing of that outer layer's color from red to brown. If metal underneath were to be exposed, it would be a bright red color, and shiny. But no, the metal underneath would not have any luster.

    Brown toning on copper coins is the norm. It is by far the most common color for copper coins to tone. Just like battleship grey is the most common color for silver coins to tone.

    edit - Can brown toning be induced or caused by contact with human hands as suggested ? Yes it can. But even if no human ever touched a copper coin, that coin would still tone and turn brown, in the vast majority of cases anyway. All that is required for any coin, copper or silver, to tone is exposure to the air.
     
  10. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Very nice one cent. I really like NT coins, they, to me, are quite unique.
     
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  11. CHUCKCXB

    CHUCKCXB Active Member

    my question is , as a kid , where did you get uncirculated coins ?? I would think , all your coins would be found in change or on the ground . SO YOU HAVE NO UNCIRCULATED COINS
     
  12. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    The bright color is the true color of the metal. Copper becoming brown isn't thin-film interference, but it's toning all the same. I like Coin News' definition of toning:

    Simple.

    And a Mint State coin is one which you call that, whether it's truly circulated or not. :)
     
  13. I mean, I never claimed that it was uncirculated, I only mentioned the possibility, so I'm not really sure why you jumped to a CAPS LOCK conclusion regarding a claim that I never even made, let alone a conclusion predicated on your assumption, but to each their own, communicate as you see fit.

    If it interests you, though, an older family member passed down part of their collection to me. Finding coins in change or on the ground are common ways for kids to gather coins, but it's not exclusive.
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    And to the PhysicsFan, from the other comment, who essentially claimed that is not toning but it is instead the coin changing color: Isn't that just semantics?

    As I see it, toning is the reaction of chemicals in the air w/ the coin's surface. Whether the natural oils from bare hands affected the oxidation process doesn't really negate that toning took place, does it?
     
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  14. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    Captain Caps must have a touch of male pms and you are right about "toning"/ ans. to the last is it's only semantics...
     
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  15. CHUCKCXB

    CHUCKCXB Active Member

    so , you took collection from older family member , and just threw them in a change jar ... family member should of taught you some respect for the collection , first
     
  16. Look, sir. I respect numismatics, it's a deep body of knowledge, but to be honest, coin collecting is just a hobby for me, something I casually do for fun. If I come across a cool coin, I may snap a photo and share it to engage some discussion or look for insight because, well, there's a lot of room for debate in the field.

    Having said that, I don't really have any emotion invested in the field, so I'm not trying to engage what seems like an argument. I could be wrong, I guess. I don't know, Is that what you're doing? Feeling emotional on a coin website and arguing instead of having a civil discussion?

    For what it's worth, I was six years old when an older family member bequested the coins to me. The ones in slabs I kept very good care of, but the one-cent coins like the one above, I just kept in a jar. The 1967 Canada Centennial penny is not a jewel, in my opinion, I have over 2,500 of them, but THIS one in the photos stood out. In Canada they were exceedingly commonplace and still kind of are to this very day.

    As far as arguing with you, I see nothing to gain from it, you can call it a victory for yourself if that's what you need to get through your day, peace, champ.
     
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  17. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Well said, at times I wonder if some of the individuals on this site comment just to argue the point that they are always going to be right. I then think of the one sentence used in a movie that most of us have probably seen, that make's me laugh every time I hear it, when the character says, "Lighten up Francis!"
     
  18. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Just remember, some characters get their jollies at getting a rise out of people. It does make for some good gossip. Ha, ha!
     
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  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Until they start running into people who will call them on it. :)
     
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  20. Jason Hoffpauir

    Jason Hoffpauir Avid Coin Collector

    This is my favorite penny...the Canadian Dove Penny to collect. Yours has a very nice toning. :smuggrin:
     
  21. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Uncirculated describes the amount of wear on a coin - not if it actually circulated in commerce.
     
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