A couple of sharp "VOT ... within wreath"s of Constantine I and II

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  1. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    For the longest time I mostly avoided late Roman coins and thought they were less interesting than other eras, but the Aurelian antoninianus that I bought recently from Seth77 got me re-interested in these coins and I decided I wanted a more presentable Constantine than the junky one I found in an uncleaned lot over a year ago. I always thought the "VOT within wreath" type was my favorite of the common later bronzes as well, so I settled on the Constantine and ended up adding on the Constantine II because it was cheap and I really liked how it highlighted the differences in wreath styles emitted by the various late Roman mints.

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    Constantine I, AE follis(19mm, 3.1g), Ticinum, 322-325 AD. CONSTAN-TINVS AVG, laureate head right / DN CONSTANTINI MAX AVG, VOT XX crescent in three lines within wreath. Mintmark PT. RIC VII Ticinum 167.

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    Constantine II, AE follis(19mm, 3.1g). Trier. 323-324 AD. CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, laureate head right / CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around VOT X within wreath. Mintmark STR in exergue. RIC VII Trier 433

    I'm sure the others here have some cool "VOT" coins to share as well, so please do.
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very sharp portraits on those coins. Very nice.
     
  4. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    126a.jpg 129b.jpg Nice VOT coins Red. I have a Crispus and Constantine II.
    Doug H.
     
  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Really nice coins, Doug. Crispus is another emperor that is still not represented in my collection.
     
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  6. ken454

    ken454 Well-Known Member

    very nice coins! i have 2, a little rougher than those fine examples shown above...

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    Constantine II, AE follis of Heraclea. AD 320.

    CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, laureate, draped, cuirassed bust right.
    DOMINOR dot NOSTROR dot CAESS around VOT V and star in three lines within wreath, dot in badge at top of wreath.
    Mintmark SMH Delta. 18mm 2.7g

    RIC VII Heraclea 63. Rated C1.

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    Crispus AE. 321 AD.
    Obverse: CRISPVS NOB.CAES, His laureated draped cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: CAESARUM NOSTRORVM around wreath inscribed VOT/V. RT in exergue (Roma Mint, third officina)
    22mm 2.5g
    RIC VII 234
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    My area of expertise is not LRBs. But I can certainly appreciate fine examples when I see them. Well done!
     
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  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

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    Crispus, AD 317 - 326
    AE, follis, 3.01g, 19mm; 6h; Aquileia mint
    Obv.: CRISPVS NOB CAES; laureate, cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, VOT / (dot) / V in laurel wreath
    In Ex.: (dot) A[Q]S (dot)
    Ref.: Aquileia RIC VII 69

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    Constantine I, AD 306-337
    AE3, 20mm, 3.3g, 1h; Aquileia mint, AD 320-321.
    Obv.: CONSTAN-TINVS AVG; Laureate head right.
    Rev.: DN CONSTANTINI MAX AVG surrounding VOT XX enclosed in laurel wreath,
    In Ex.: ·AQP·
    Ref.: RIC VII Aquileia 85 (p. 404)

    Think I have one more but no photo.
     
  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice vots RS...that constantine ii portrait is sure different...i dig it!
     
  10. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Nice coins all.
     
  11. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Jovian
    Coin: Bronze AE3
    D N IOVIAN-VS P F AVG - Pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust left
    VOT V MVLT X - Within wreath
    Mint: Heraclea (363-364 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.64g / 20mm / -
    Acquisition/Sale: $0.00
    Notes: Nov 15, 14 - RIC viii Heraclea 111
     
  12. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Gratian
    Coin: Bronze AE4
    DN GRATIA-NVS P F AVG - Pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    VOT XV MVLT XX - Within wreath
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    Mint: Sisca (367-383 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 1.38g / 18mm / -
    Rarity: Scarce
    References:
    • RIC IX Siscia 31a
     
  13. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Julian II
    Coin: Bronze AE3
    D N FL CL IVLI_ANVS P F AVG - Pearl-diademed, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, shield forward in left hand, spear forward in right
    VOT / X / MVLT / XX - Legend in four lines surrounded by wreath terminating in large jewel Palm SIS palm in exergue
    Mint: Siscia (361-362 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.64g / 21mm / -
    References:
    • RIC VIII, 415
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

  15. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Excellent examples one and all...
     
  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Of course, these are not the most exciting types in the world - they're not exactly Zeus hurling a thunderbolt while Pegasus flies over a roiling sea with warring triremes while the moon and stars blink in the background. (If you find such a coin, let me know!). But to the collector of Roman types, they are quite important in charting the course of history because of their commemoration of public vota.

    Some types are so very common that they're affordable in very high grades with complete silvering. I have some unofficial issues on which the obverses and reverses are mismatched. These coins come from Rick Morton, who assembled his well-respected Capitoline Collection - he's been slowly selling off his coins recently.

    I've posted these elsewhere, but as long as this thread has come up, I'll post them again...

    1. The first is this hybrid, obverse of Constantine II, reverse of Constantine I. During the run of this series, the princes Constantine II and Crispus received reverse legends CAESARVM NOSTRORVM, or abbreviations thereof, with VOT X. Constantine I got DN CONSTANTINI MAX AVG with VOT XX.

    So this is a mule of RIC VII Trier 459 and RIC VII Trier 324. Since both types were minted in AD 324, it's easy to see how the dies could have gotten mixed up.

    To compound matters, the engraver (or engravers) of the dies ran out of room and shortened both inscriptions to make them irregular. The B is missing on the obverse: CONSTANTINVS IVN NO(B) C, and AVG on the reverse is abbreviated simply as A. This sort of thing isn't particularly uncommon, but it adds a layer of fluff to an already erroneous cake.

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    2. This one has obverse of Constantine I, AVG abbreviated AV, reverse of Constantine II/Crispus with the completely botched inscription CAEMSARVM NOSTRVM. But Ticinium mint only used DOMINORVM NOSTRORVM CAESS on this series, so this coin is a real hodge-podge of mistakes.

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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice!! => great VOTs, red_spork (congrats)

    ... oh, and nice VOTs to the rest of you dudes too ...

    Hmmm, I'm fairly sure that I only have one VOT example? (but sadly, I'm often wrong, so I'll look for more in a sec)

    ... but until then => here is my cool Julian-II VOT


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  18. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    JA, awesome mules.
    Doug H.
     
  19. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Hey Red, very happy to hear about your recent interest in LRBs, they're wonderful aren't they :)

    I also like votives and especially the ones that have certain particularities, like for instance this one:

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    CONSTANTINE II AE3 18mm 2.73g Follis/Nummus (VF, patina, scratches)

    AV: CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C; laureate draped cuirassed bust r.

    REV: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM; VOT/V inside wreath

    EXE: R eRwC in ligature Q, Rome mint, 4th officina.

    REF: RIC VII Rome 231, rated R5, 320-321AD.

    The interesting mintmark is the greek EROS in ligature, which is the counterpart of AMOR in latin, which in turn is ROMA backwards.

    This one is as unassuming as LRBs often are but the playful and evocative mintmark, characteristic for a short time in the early 320s at Rome is what sets it apart.
     
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  20. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Constantine II AE3, 320-321 AD.

    OBV: CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, Laureate, draped & cuirassed bust left.

    REV: CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around laurel wreath enclosing VOT / V, star above on wreath, TSBVI in ex.

    REF: RIC VII Thessalonica 120

    This coin has a rather strange obverse portrait.
     
  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nice!
     
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