Coin collectors of Germany are asking for help

If things are going really bad any collecting of coins older than 100 years or worth more than 100 euro will be forbidden from 2016, as the german gouvernment is working on a new law in order to protect the national heritage. Sounds good, but the result could be an obstruction of collecting and trade.

Famous german numismatist dr. Kampmann terefor as launced an initative to stop this madness. We need 120.000 signatures to make parliament listen to us .
Of course you could ask what Germany is to you in the US. But can you be sure this madness will not spread ? We ave to stop te autorities in distroying our right to collect what we like.

Please read the text of the petition below and if you like, sign up ( Unterschreiben ) here :https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/fuer-den-erhalt-des-privaten-sammelns

" The stipulations of the amendment of the law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage threaten the collecting of cultural objects by private individuals. This law will effect everybody specialized in traditional collecting fields, such as books, stamps, furniture, ceramics, coins, classic cars and paintings. Retroactively, this new law will impose due diligence guidelines that are impossible to follow even for the most meticulous collector. When it comes to a dispute, the law will require, by reversing the burden of proof, the owner of a “cultural good” with a value of at least 2,500 euros to provide proof as to the item’s provenance for the previous 20 years; this affects “archaeological cultural goods” with a value as low as 100 euros.
This is an unrealistic demand which misrepresents most of the objects that are currently traded on the domestic and the international art market in full accordance with the law as being illegal, and will result in a considerable decline in value of the objects in question.
We therefore demand a law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage that observes the following principles:
• No retroactive effect of the law
• No reversal of the burden of proof
• A clear definition of the term “national cultural heritage” and a limit to claims by the state to “national cultural heritage” only
• Free movement, unimpaired by bureaucratic obstacles, of cultural goods which are not classified as “natural cultural heritage”, EU-wide, according to the free movement of goods
• An appropriate participation by the parties representing collectors and dealers in the law-making process
For centuries collectors have protected cultural heritage. Private collecting adds to national efforts and promotes the tradition’s preservation in all its variety, in a way museums alone could never accomplish. Collecting is an immaterial cultural heritage that is currently threatened by the latest drafts of the new German law on the Protection of Cultural Heritage."

 

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I think I don't like this.

The 'people' won't take the time to learn [and stop] this proposed legislation. THey're too concerned about the inane info that gets passed back and forth on their iPhones, to learn about this, I do believe.

If I'm wrong, and they DO, great..............

 

I signed that petition in a New York second, lets stop the madness, or next their going to make Egypt take down the Pyramids for making the J?ws slaves to build them ...

 

I signed. not sure it will do anything. I have many Germany coins. there are still tons of German coins in the U.S.A. go to any coin show and you will find many many German coins there. good luck with this petition.

 

I signed it.

 

I would sign but I would assume that since this is a German law proposal, and most likely is to affect the German people, the petition is going to the German government that the signatures need to be those of German citizens. Non domestic signatures would not be counted toward the needed 120,000.

 

Sounds like the Minnesota law good intentions but bad effects. In this case, suspect they are trying to prevent the black market of collectibles.

 

Yeah, but it sends a message regarding the brotherhood (worldwide) that we all share......

 

Maybe, but submitting a petition with a bunch of ineligible signatures runs the risk of having the petition dismissed out of hand.

 

J'ai signé cette pétition, car je crois que ce type de mesure est une véritable entrave à la diffusion de la culture. C'est précisément ce qui manque le plus à ce monde. Je crois également que les collectionneurs peuvent apporter beaucoup aux peuples lorsqu'ils doivent lutter contre des groupes comme "Daech" c'est une solution efficace pour soustraire les objets anciens de la destruction.
Par ailleurs cette demande est incongrue, car il ne me semble pas possible d'identifier la provenance des monnaies notamment qui sont dans certaines collections depuis plus d'un demi-siècle...

 

Translation of last post as per Google:
"I signed the petition because I believe that this type of measurement is a real obstacle to the dissemination of culture. This is precisely what is lacking most in this world. I also believe that collectors can bring a lot to the people when they have to fight against groups like "Daech" is an effective solution for the removal of old objects of destruction.
Moreover this application is incongruous, because it does not seem possible to me to identify the source of such currencies which are in some collections for over half a century ..."

 

Almost hard to believe.

 

As for which signatures "count", I already posted my comments here:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/assault-on-collecting.266630/

Christian

 

I just didn't feel comfortable giving out my address to an organization and/or person that I don't know. Too bad email address wasn't enough for those outside Germany.

 

This is of no concern to any one other then the citizens of the country it effects . (Germany ) I am for one am very tired of others trying to create laws ,and policies in a country they are not residents . For hundreds of years the people of this country have made choices over their laws that govern them. It's about time that Americans which I am one, learn to keep their noses out of the business of others. I'm sure the people of Germany are smart enough to govern themselves . And who are we to think that by signing a petition have the right to alter the laws and wills of a sovereign nation?

 

Some folks were afraid similar laws could be adapted in other EU countries or even overseas.

Personally, I think (hope) that this is just one of the many bills which will never make it...

 

Ugh. Isn't this the same country that wants to tax you for breathing? Carbon credits anyone?