Your opinion of this coin...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by derkerlegand, Jul 11, 2015.

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  1. ToppCatt

    ToppCatt ToppCatt

    I wasn't aware of any demand for another bullion coin. I'll stick to my krugerrands that are recognized world wide. Not pretty at all.
     
    ToppCatt, Jul 12, 2015
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  3. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Assist the newbe here please. With this high relief piece, which I can't afford, are you all saying that it is just not up to the high standards of other U.S. Mint productions ? With the flow of the feathers off the head of the eagle to the body,I can see where the transition could have been a little more clear cut instead of the rough, uneven look. Also the breast feathers should have stood out in detail more especially towards the bottom. Just my opinion,but wouldn't you want him looking like the proud bird he is ?
     
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  4. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes. The breast should stand out more.
     
    ldhair, Jul 12, 2015
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  5. medjoy

    medjoy Active Member

    From a prior conversation on this coin:
    I'm liking it more as I look at it and realize it's an updated version of the original Saint-Gaudens -- Full Liberty figure with torch (flag added), with her olive branch moved to the reverse in the westward flying eagle's talons.

    All the initials on it would seem to indicate it was designed by committee.

    In my view it's an interesting coin of our time with a nod to the past.
     
    medjoy, Jul 12, 2015
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  6. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    When the mint unveiled the other design finalist based on an African-American model, there was quite a chorus of horror, although many of the objectors got sort of quiet when asked what was so objectionable about it.

    Now, with this one, we're getting complaints about Liberty's BMI.

    If we're getting hung up on what collectors look for in female beauty, rather than in a coin design, I'm thinking that perhaps the design is a winner.
     
    -jeffB, Jul 12, 2015
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  7. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Obviously, members have a lot of passion around this subject, possibly because the design embodies what America is all about, which I am very happy to see, so I'm going to add more detailed thoughts . . .

    I like the design elements and layout on both sides of the coin, but feel that, much like all of our recent coinage, quality artistry was again sacrificed in the interest of volume production.

    Much of the eagle's feather detail is shown in exaggerated relief . . . it looks cartoonish to me . . . The engraving work seems targeted at users without depth-perception. The photo below, of an eagle in flight, indicates how subtle the engraving should probably be . . . just enough to differentiate the feathers, and not so obnoxious as to draw one's attention from the beauty of the overall work of art.

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    Furthermore, I think Miss Liberty looks rather stiff, as if maintaining a pose for the artist, rather than being captured in a more natural, relaxed body position. Exactly what I'd like to see here is a difficult thing to put into words . . . a kind of "you know it when you see it" thing. Satisfying all with refinements in this regard could prove a time-consuming and frustrating endeavor, but very gratifying when complete.

    Finally, within the flag, I feel the details should be better executed . . . the stars should be depicted in relief, but differently, perhaps with texture reflecting embroidery, as exemplified below (although the engraving limitations mean that the thread count would definitely have to be less):

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    Also, I think both the red and white the stripes should be in the same relief, perhaps texturing one, as was done on the WLH.
     
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    ToughCOINS, Jul 12, 2015
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  8. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    Like derk says.
     
    fish4uinmd, Jul 12, 2015
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  9. seumas46

    seumas46 New Member

    Overall, I like the coin's design. However, I find the obverse cluttered due to the sizing and placement of the lettering. I would buy it.
     
    seumas46, Jul 12, 2015
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  10. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Don't like. Liberty looks like she is headed to a toga party. The whole obverse is too busy. They could have added detail to the torch. The eagle on the reverse has the angry look. The feathers do look like some type of anime armor. What's up with those tail feathers. Leftovers from the Kisatchie quarter? I'd pay melt.
     
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  11. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    The details are great, the $100 denomination confuses me...
     
    Seattlite86, Jul 12, 2015
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  12. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    They bumped the face value up to a hundred bucks. Anyone know why?
     
    Gilbert, Jul 12, 2015
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  13. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Agreed, Miss Liberty needs to put on at least 15 pounds.
     
    mikem2000, Jul 12, 2015
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  14. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    Yeah, you know... Maybe you're right: I don't think I've ever seen Liberty in a freakin' toga before. On the classic U.S. coins it always looks like she's wearing some kind of lighter-looking clothing. This coin makes her look like somebody straight out of I, Claudius or Gladiator central casting.
     
    mlov43, Jul 12, 2015
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  15. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    This is the last that I'll comment about the coin. Do you not think that there's a perspective problem with the arm bearing the torch? Forearm seems whacky. Now that I've said that, I can't afford the coin even if it met my persnickety approval! I do have to say that I'ts 100% better than the coin that I designed and produced (which is none)!
     
    derkerlegand, Jul 12, 2015
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  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    No, I don't see a perspective problem. There isn't actually much perspective here, and I think it would look weird if there were.

    As for the coin you designed and produced, I must say that yours is every bit the equal of mine. ;)
     
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  17. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    Are you talking about the Obverse, or the Reverse?
     
    davidh, Jul 12, 2015
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  18. MKent

    MKent Well-Known Member

     
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  19. coolhandred

    coolhandred Member

    [​IMG] The obverse of the coin is poorly composed. The lettering of "LIBERTY" is totally out of scale as is the flag. These design elements crowd and thus dwarf the figure.
    Negative space is critically important to the overall composition, especially when working with a circular space.

    The 3/4 figure itself is sound, but with both arms angled holding the torch and flag staff at the same height a "W" design element is created which at first appears stiff. The concept of the design is good, the execution is lacking.

    I would have placed the torch in a raised hand, and the flag staff held by a lowering arm. The flag would then add distance lower and behind the figure. Similar to the Statue of Liberty composition.
     
    coolhandred, Jul 12, 2015
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  20. re-collect

    re-collect Active Member

    The eagle I like...full feathers and proud head. The obverse I find lacking and unappealing. I'd rather see flowing hair and a partial profile to give it some life.
     
    re-collect, Jul 12, 2015
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  21. coolhandred

    coolhandred Member

    Here is another sculpture, by Hermon A MacNeil who was the designer of the Standing Liberty Quarter, which suggests a raised arm in a composition is balanced by a lowered arm. [​IMG]
     
    coolhandred, Jul 12, 2015
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