I was browsing mashops last night and noticed this disclaimer mentioned by a dealer and was surprised. In Germany the edge of the coin is the first point to look at. Edgenicks bump a coin down minimum one grade in value. Dipping must not be mentioned due to the German grading rules. Hairlines from wiping ( Berieben ) and edenicks ( Randfehler ) must be mentioned also mounting marks and filing marks at the edge and other grave damages. Germany doesn´t have any not US based third part grading services. There are no technical grades in Germany like "Details" and also no designations like "full band" "full steps" etc ! The color of copper and bronze coins must not be mentioned, no red, rb or brown ! Split grades are regular in Germany. Av and Rev. of the coin count equal. Proof has only three grades in Germany. Why not mention the dipping in the description ? I was thinking bidding in one of the German auctions and now i have to think twice before i bid.
They probably view our system of the flea wagging the tail that's wagging the dog as dummkopf grading.
Much as the British do. Well, we just say "Americans!" and do the rotating finger near the ear thing, while smiling ruefully.
Maybe i should have used the quotation for the sellers disclaimer, looks like i confused everyone. " Coin quality transfer list USA to Germany below= sge or sehr gut erhalten usually allmost not considered to be collection worthy. g 8-VG 10 = schön or s (fine ) F 12- VF 20= fast sehr schön (allmost very fine) VF 30 - xf 40 = sehr schön or ss (very fine) XF 45 = sehr schön + or ss+ (very fine +) Au 50 -53 = fast vorzüglich, f. vz (allmost extremely fine) AU 55- MS 58 = vz or "vorzüglich" ( extremely fine) Unc-MS 61 = vz+ or "vorzüglich +" these coins are usualy considered to be circulated in the German gradig system MS 62-MS 63 = "prägefrisch" or prf. ( german AU up to unc.). Here start the uncirculated coin qualities in Germany MS 64 and up = fast Stempelglanz up to Stempelglanz ( German: stgl. or unc.) this mostly includes prooflike and Gem BU coins. Based on comparison to USA "Morgan Dollar" grades. In Germany the edge of the coin is the first point to look at. Edgenicks bump a coin down minimum one grade in value. Dipping must not be mentioned due to the German grading rules. Hairlines from wiping ( Berieben ) and edenicks ( Randfehler ) must be mentioned also mounting marks and filing marks at the edge and other grave damages. Germany doesn´t have any not US based third part grading services. There are no technical grades in Germany like "Details" and also no designations like "full band" "full steps" etc ! The color of copper and bronze coins must not be mentioned, no red, rb or brown ! Split grades are regular in Germany. Av and Rev. of the coin count equal. Proof has only three grades in Germany. Pf 67-70 = Polierte Platte or in German "Spiegelglanz" No lines, not impaired. This includes "deep cameo and cameo"The minting quality of the coin counts little. PF 66 -65 PP- or "Polierte Platte minus" or if only minimal impaired "Erstabschlag", early strike. Below = vz aus PP, vorzüglich aus Polierter Platte. PL = prooflike not proof but mirror like this includes PL and DMPL. "
