My 3 new republic denarius, show me your better ones

Damn, I can't see the evidence of a 'cast fake' on that Claudius As---except the portrait seems a bit different than those I'm more familiar with---but that can easily be a matter of 'style' and the engraver's skill etc...

From your reimaged photos, I still don't see anything that would make be suspect it's fake....perhaps the portrait itself?? Or simply that others like the one Martin identified are well known and the 'styling' itself is the answer??

The more I learn about 'fakes' the less I seem to be able to identify them---that seems counter-intuitive. It seems my 'instinct' that some are 'off' works better than anything I can put my finger on.....except obvious casting bubbles, seams or
ridiculous caricatures of the portraits and reverses...

Can any of us ever be sure they're genuine no matter where and how we purchase our coins??

 

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There are several 'clues' to fakes but the one that is impossible to refute is finding two coins of the same dies off center in exactly the same way with exactly the same edge flaws and some scratches, pits or other 3D features that are exactly the same. Being a die match proves nothing but all this other stuff shows that the two were cloned from a third 'mother' or that one was made from the other. When these came up here the first time around, we posted links to fake databases that showed these matches and I invite anyone interested to look for them now. I didn't save the link after I got my refund. I went looking here and found:
This guy is delusional thinking he has a fourree core.
http://munzeo.com/coin/authentic-ancient-imitation-carisius-denarius-24135811
This resource is often useful if you can find things with their search utility.
http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=/3O/foNhS~x~Y=

Compare the centering and the large flaw at obverse left. What chance do you think would produce these three from a real die pair?

 

Point well taken!!!

 

There is nothing wrong with the style of the Papius. It is a high pressure cast fake of a genuine coin. These are spotted by identical coins (centration, strike, wear etc.) hitting the market. They create false patination chemically. I pay close attention to the Papius coins hitting the market and spotted this one and several other variants as they hit the market.

Here is another match.



Bing - be sure to point the seller to the fake reports of the matches to allow them to have as much information as possible.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-16398
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-16631

I have seen several others.

Martin

 

Like I said, I've had mine for a while. Did these all hit the market about the same time? These are identical so I suppose there is no question. The only thing left to say is ah s--t! (I may get censored, but that is how I feel right at this moment)

 

I have spotted about a dozen or so since around December last year.

 

*poop*

... too bad, big-bro

 

I guess thanks are in order. It's been confirmed by more than one source. FAKE! I am eagerly awaiting a response from the seller.

 

No need to show the seller. Message awaiting me this morning just said to return the coin for a full refund. I'm glad the seller is standing by his guarantee especially since it's been over a year since I purchased; however, I'm still upset cause I liked this coin and now I have to find a replacement. Oh wait. Shopping for a new coin! That's not a bad thing.

 

That's the attitude, Bing!!

I'm really glad the seller came through for you...especially after all the time that has passed...

 

I was sorry to be the bearer of the bad news Bing but recognised it as soon as I saw it.
Martin

 

Don't be sorry. I'm better off knowing than showing off a fake. Like I said, now I get to go find a genuine Papius. Know of any off hand?

 

I know a few out there. It depends on what your criteria are.

Here are some more to avoid. Produced by the same people as your fake and distributed at the same time.

Don't avoid coins from the same dies, just examples that are exact matches.







Martin

 

Thanks

 

Crazy they even change the control marks to be different.

 

Scary as hell, since it makes them all look individually genuine to my eyes...

 

all the Papius I have posted in this thread are fakes. I have added them all to the forum fake reports.

 

Any fakes with the dog and snake symbols?

 

Nice denarius trio Jason.

Too bad about that fake Bing, but glad the dealer is refunding you. Happy coin shopping

 

Just yours ....I'll take care of it for you!