My 3 new republic denarius, show me your better ones

I recently got these 3 republic denarius and am happy with them. I love the story behind the two that I've attributed (still working on the 3rd one)but I would love to see if anyone has them in better condition than these worn ones.

Top left.
Republic Denarius 89 BC.
Obverse : Head of Tatius. SABIN to left, monogram TA to right
Reverse: Two soldiers holding a woman each. This reverse depicts the 'rape' of the Sabine women; the legendary tale of the period following the founding of Rome when women were abducted locally to provide wives to the early founders under Romulus.

Top right.
M. Aemilius Scaurus and P. Plautius Hypsaeus. Silver denarius. 58 BC.
Obverse: King Aretas of Nabataea, kneeling right beside a camel, presenting an olive branch in a symbol of supplication, with M SCAVR AED CVR In two lines above, EX and SC across the fields, and REX ARETAS below.
Reverse: Jupiter driving a quadriga left, brandishing a thunderbolt, with P HVPSAEVS AED CVR in two lines above, CAPTVM to the right, and C HVPSAE COS PREIVER in two lines below.
This coin commemorates the surrender of Aretas III to Scaurus in 62 BC, and is the earliest Roman coin to commemorate events of the life of the issuing moneyer.

Bottom.
Still working on it

Looking forward to seeing your coins

 

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Nice coins.

 

Nice, only have one of those.


L. Titurius L.f. Sabinus. (89 B.C.)
AR Denarius
O: Bare head of King Tatius right, SABIN downward behind, TA in monogram before;
R: Two Roman soldiers running left, each bearing a Sabine woman in his arms, L·TITVRI in ex.
Rome
19mm
3.87g
Crawford 344/1a,RSC I Tituria 2, Sydenham 698a, SRCV I 249

 

Oh, and I won our Annual Canada Day Croquet Championship ... two years in a row

wha?

 

I recently picked up a specimen of your bottom coin, but won't spoil your attributing fun. It is a pretty scarce issue... I don't see any examples on sale or auction at the moment. Maybe a little more detail will help you attribute it ...

 

welcome jason!

i thought that bottom coin looked familiar....

 

Jason: see what I mean? When you start a thread it gets much more attention than showing coins in the middle of another thread. Now lets see:

L. TITURIUS L.F. SABINUS ROMAN REPUBLIC; GENS TITURIA
AR Denarius
OBVERSE: Head of Tatius facing right, SABIN behind, palm below chin
REVERSE: Two Roman soldiers, each holding a woman in his arms, L.TITVRI in ex.
Struck at Rome 89 BC
3.8g, 20mm
Cr344/1b, Syd 698a, Tiituria 2

 

This coin is the only silver I ever found in an unclean lot. It was folded over and the silver was poking through. I slowly straighten out the coin, but it is still a mess:

M. AEMILIUS (POMPEY Victory v ARETAS ); GENS AEMILIA
AR Denarius
OBVERSE: M . SCAVR / AED CVR above king Aretas kneeling beside a camel r., EX on ,S . C on right, REX ARETAS in ex
REVERSE: HYPSAE (vs) / AED CVR above Jupiter in quadriga left, CAPTVM on right, c. HYPSAEVS cos PREIV (ER) in ex. scorpion below horses
Rome 58 BC
3.1g, 17mm
Cr422/1a; Syd 912

 

wow. you got all of that info from that coin....I take my hat off to you!

 

So yours has a palm leave mine a TA. What is this about? different person minting the coins? different mints? different "runs" of the mint?

 

Control marks. Not much to go on but it is believed these were used to control quality, quantity, and distribution. Some issues have some wonderful control marks which some collectors seek. They make it a kind of a sub-collection. A good example of this is the Papius denarii. One of the regular posters here has such a sub sollection:

L. PAPIUS; GENS PAPIA
AR Denarius
OBVERSE: Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin, pump behind head
REVERSE: Griffin prancing right, pail with cup attached below, L. PAPI in exergue (Trade Guild: Farmers and shepherds)
Struck at Rome 79 BC
3.23g, 19mm
SNG BMC 1190

 

Tricky Tricky... found some with the more common reverse of "money making tools" and found out this bit of cool info.

In 390 BCE, the sacred geese of Juno warned (monere) the Romans about an impending attack by Gauls, hence her temple on the Capitoline was dedicated to Juno Moneta. The mint for making coins was adjacent to this temple and the goddess thus became associated with money.

Right back to trying to find out about that coin.....

 

I take it you are doing searches for "moneta". Try doing so together with a word you might use to describe the figure you see on the reverse too.

Here are two great sites that I use to do such keyword searches:

https://www.cngcoins.com/Coins_sold.aspx

http://www.acsearch.info

 

GOT IT!
Found two coins that looked the same as that bottom one of mine but with two different dates (Thanks for the better picture Zumbly)

L Plaetorius Lf Cestianus AR Denarius. 71 BC. Diademed bust of Juno Moneta right / Athlete running right, holding palm & caestus; wheel below.

M Plaetorius Cestianus, AR denarius. 67 BC. MONETA S C, diademed bust of Juno Moneta right / L PLAETORI L F Q S C, athlete running right, holding palm branch & caestus

Is there any way of knowing which mine would be since its rather worn?

Cheers, you have made my day telling me its not a common coin

 

There are two groups of these Moneta/runner type issued by L. Plaetorius (Cestianus) - with control symbol and without - but both groups were likely issued in the same year. You may find different references or sites indicating different years (74BC, 71BC and 67BC) resulting from the fact that this moneyer's year in office is uncertain. The most commonly used one I've seen is 74BC, which is what is given in Michael Crawford's Roman Republican Coinage, a primary reference for RR coins.

Using Crawford as a reference, your coin is either 396/1a (no control symbol) or 396/1b (control symbol below). From your pictures I can't see if we can tell if there's a control symbol or not, or what the control symbol may be if there is one, but even if the coin was not so worn I suspect that the detail may be off the flan... quite a number of these RRs were struck on rather compact flans or off-center and missing devices is a typical problem.

 

Bing,
I am sorry to tell you but that one is a cast fake.
Here is one I added to the Forum fake reports as confirmation...

 

Since these were mentioned and since the subject of cast fakes came up, lets repost this common cast fake which I returned a couple years ago and have seen several other example of. It is a popular type since it shows the "money making tools".

 

Cast fakes???

I would never have guessed that Bing's denarius or the one posted by Doug were fakes--they DON"T seem 'off' to me....

But, the one posted by Martin looks a bit odd and 'off' a bit so I would've been cautious with that one.... I could have easily purchased at least two of three fakes and not have been aware of it...Jeez!!!

Which suggests the questions....'Where did you all purchase or obtain those coins..... and 'How did you determine they were fakes'???

Or should that be another follow-up thread???

 

I purchased mine from a Vcoins dealer just a little better than a year ago. I have written him to advise him of Martin's assessment. He has a lifetime warranty, but I wonder what proof he will require. I've also sent images off to a couple of people I really trust (not that I don't trust Martin - I do, but I want more opinions before I condemn the coin). I also just re-imaged the coin again. I see nothing like casting bubbles or seam.

 

=> here is my classic cast fake

Claudius AE As

=> David Sear caught this baby ... I was merely sending it down to get an authentication certificate so my inheritor would be able to sell my collection more easily (at that time, I did not think the coin was a fake ... it was an unpleasant surprise)