Toners

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by BigTee44, Jun 20, 2015.

  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    That post makes absolutely no sense. I don't dictate to anyone, I simply share the truth. The fact is that serious numismatists understand the virtues of a coin with an original skin.
     
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  3. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    The Sunnywood Color Progression chart is always useful to separate AT from NT. It might not be 100% foolproof, but it can help build a case. Natural toning does seem to follow that progression of colors shown on the RHS. However, I have seen other coins that PCGS grades (blessed) as NT, which did not follow that progression. So it's just a piece of evidence and not a foolproof system.

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  4. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    The desire to make more$ at sale time....
     
  5. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    It may tone, but will it tone attractively? Ugly toning can detract from a coin, mute the luster, and negatively impact a coin's grade.
     
  6. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Wasn't Sunnywood's chart based on silver and not copper, nickel, and other base metals?
     
  7. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    Yes, Sunnywood developed that for his Morgans. However the same progression seems to work for some intensely toned rainbow Lincolns as well. When I showed this to Sunnywood a few years back, he was blown away (in a good way).
     
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    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Ah, so you're preaching your gospel, your revealed truth. Give you some advice, you want some big premiums for it, preach it to your flock, the kids are too enlightened for you.
     
  10. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    What the hell are you talking about? Are you drunk?
     
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  11. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    Damn!
     
  12. Trust

    Trust Young Numismatist Since 2011

    Can someone explain what AT and NT stands for?
     
  13. Trust

    Trust Young Numismatist Since 2011

    I just realized toned coins look awesome. And I DO think that the value of a coin is in the eye of the beholder. If you like how it looks, (and it's hopefully not intentionally induced by a chemical bath) go for it! But hey! If you like dipped coins, go for it. I personally don't. I just think it's cool that a coin could do that over time. I just got to the personal position that I believe toning adds character. I would prefer it to be non intention though.
     
  14. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Artificial Toning and Natural Toning. You'll also see QT (Questionable Toning), QC (Questionable Color), and MA (Market Acceptable) sometimes, too.
     
  15. Trust

    Trust Young Numismatist Since 2011

  16. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    I love original toning, but i'll let toner guys fight over each other paying the 300% premium.
     
  17. Trust

    Trust Young Numismatist Since 2011

    Does anyone see a future where toning is quantified?
     
  18. Trust

    Trust Young Numismatist Since 2011

    And graded? (I'm a fairly new YN and hoping this thinking doesn't ostracize me from the numismatic community)
     
  19. charlietig

    charlietig Well-Known Member

    As for grading. The toning won't affect grade.... *typically* TPG's always grade the coin and the strike, not the way it looks. Now if it was Artificially Toned and caused damage to the coin, then that will go into the final grade.
     
  20. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    :stop:AFAIK...not a single coin came off the press with toning...:rolleyes: and you can't get more original than hot off the press.
     
  21. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I like original surfaces, period. Toned or still mostly white, i don't really care as long as the surface seems relatively unadulterated.

    Toned coins can be artificially rendered, white coins can also be artificially gained. So I want the coins that seem to have just been left alone and Mother Nature did her thing on them.
     
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