Conservation Tips?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by rooman9, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    I picked this up years ago when I was a young collector and didn't quite know good coins from bad. I like it, still has quite a bit of detail. But as you can see it's covered in black gunk and has had some cleaning done to it in the past. Any tips? Leave it as is? Acetone?
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I'd start with distilled water, keeping it covered to avoid too much in the way of airborne particulates getting in. If a couple of days of that doesn't work, up it to acetone, and if that doesn't work, up it to xylene. If that doesn't work, or, at any point, you decide you've put too much effort into the coin, give up. :)
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    It's certainly worth soaking, as @Paul M. suggests. You won't hurt the coin, at least.
     
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  5. wmichael

    wmichael Active Member

    Looks like old tar to me. If it is, good vodka and a cotton tip is a gentle cure. 8/r4cv <this last comment by Tigger a 7 week kitten>
     
  6. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    True True. Didn't even think of the distilled water.
     
  7. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I'd avoid any kind of swabbing. You can soak in acetone or xylene almost indefinitely. With respect to coin metals, they're practically inert. I'd keep it in a dark place, too, if possible, just to avoid any photochemical reactions.
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The black you see on that coin is almost certainly toning. That's what silver does when you allow toning to progress unchecked. Water and or acetone won't touch it, to remove it you'll have to dip the coin.
     
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  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I was thinking the same thing, but couldn't be sure from the photos. Surely it would be better to try the water/acetone/xylene soaks before any attempt at dipping, though, right?
     
  10. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I agree. Looks just like terminal black toning. It looks like the previous cleaning removed some, and the metal underneath was already starting to corrode. Look at the fields on the obverse, it looks like toning pitting. To save the coin you have to have someone dip it, and even then I am guessing it will all be lightly corroded underneath.

    This is what happens when the "pretty" toning continues to react. Keep your coins as white as possible people, and prevent toning so more coins like this in the future don't happen.
     
  11. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    Yea I noticed the corrosion and that's why I wanted to get the black off to stop if from happening more. I've had this coin for years and it's always been like this. Where's the best place to get it dipped? (I have not the skills or knowledge to even attempt to dip it). I'm also going to try the water and acetone first. Just to see.
     
  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Well, the toning people have vilified people who dip coins for so long its probably harder to find one today. I would start with a good local dealer if you know one.
     
  13. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    If the black stuff isn't crud, I don't think you're likely to like the way it turns out. I'd only dip it for the experience, without expecting any kind of good result.
     
  14. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    Good point. So lets say that water and acetone don't work. If I don't dip it and leave it the same what would happen? Would the corrosion get worst? Or would the coin remain about at the same level it is now?
     
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    If the reaction is allowed to continue, it will eventually eat away your coin until only black silver oxide is left. Stored in proper conditions it should stop, but active toning, (corrosion), always is a danger. That is why badly toned coins should be dipped, to stop the potential to go further.
     
  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Of course you will probably be dead by that time, even if you are a young numistmatist.
     
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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah you could, but I'd bet money it would be a waste of time.

    As for the dipping, it's coins like this that are good to learn with. For all intents and purposes the coin is already ruined (the corrosion you can see on the obv), so you're not gonna hurt it any if you screw up while trying to dip it.

    My guess is somebody who had that coin previously was concerned about dipping it, so they only "shallow dipped" it - meaning in a shallow enough pool just in the bottom of a bowl or whatever so that only 1 side of the coin would be affected. Then when they saw the corrosion already there that was caused by the terminal toning, they decided the heck with it and gave up, leaving it as it is now.

    Even under the very best of circumstances dipping a coin is always a crap shoot, because you never know what you're gonna see underneath what you dip off. There may be a gem hiding under there or it may be a corroded mess. But of you're careful with your dipping and do it correctly you're not gonna hurt the coin, even if it is a gem.

    But it is a certainty that if you do not dip it, the toning will destroy the coin. Just a matter of time because you can never stop it.

    So if it were me, I'd dip that sucker and learn what I could from it, for the next time ;)
     
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  18. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    What would be the best thing to use for dipping?
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Some people like Ranch, some like French Onion...OK, sorry, the devil made me do that. Dipping for silver is usually done with a mixture of sulfuric acid and thiourea. If that sounds like too much, it is available as eZest from e-bay or any coin supply.
     
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  20. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    For that coin you might want to pre-treat the front with some eZest on a cotton swab applied just to the affected areas and watch to prevent overdip (be ready to rinse the material off with running water).
    Then try dipping the whole thing.
     
  21. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Maybe, but OTOH I have seen serious corrosion on 5 year old ASE stored badly.
     
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