Just got the elusive 1916 Barber Half....

Mine came in today as well, had to take a few shots. These are really attractive pieces and I like the die cracks (which I wasn't sure about at first)! Just a fun new addition! Bulk-handled version.

 

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The "Red Book" has a footnote about 1964-D Peace Dollars stating: "many deceptive reproductions exist". It is not known (to me) whether this was put in the Red Book because of my over-strikes or because of the more numerous Chinese pieces and Royal Oak Mint reproductions.

However, my particular "1964-D" Peace Dollar over-strikes are listed (and pictured) as a collectible piece in the 6th edition of the Krause Unusual World Coins Catalog. And there have been several other articles concerning my over-strikes in various numismatic publications, including an article I wrote about my "1964-D" over-strike Peace Dollars for the Society of Silver Dollar Collectors newsletter. That article was awarded the George A Mallis (of "VAM" fame) literary award. And ICG and ANACS will certify and grade my over-strikes as "Dan Carr O/S Token".

So, when it comes to numismatic publications, it goes both ways. And there is plenty of information available.

PS: I will ask Ken Bressett (editor of the Red Book) the next time I see him.

 

Please tell us what Mr. Bressett says. I would be shocked if it wasn't referring to your coins. To the best of my knowledge (and by all means please correct me if I am wrong), your fantasy strikes are the highest quality pieces made. Increased quality = more convincing = more deceptive. As such, I don't see how he could be referring to any other person while excluding you. Perhaps he meant others in addition to you.

 

I feel "injured" with each submission I make. Regardless of whether the coins are "knock off's" or not.

And lets take your "fantasy" back into reality. Someone who knows nothing about coins is NOT going to be submitting ANYTHING under an "Ultra Express Tier" level for grading. Remember, they don't know anything about coins and as such, have absolutely no idea what a grading company might be.\

The ONLY possible way that they could submit the coin would be through a PCGS Authorized coin dealer OR a collector's club member of which both would spot the Carr Coin in an instant!

Next.

 

Me too but I ordered one of each. I also ordered one of his Lesher pieces.

 

You made it about me. I am responding to your assertions and criticisms. You were the one that claimed I was "robbing the legacy" of the coin's designer by over-striking it. I pointed out that, in my opinion, "hobo" carving was a lot closer to "robbing the legacy" of the designer that an over-strike which is faithful to the original design. And while you had an issue with the over-strikes, you did not seem to have any problem with "hobo" carving a coin. So this was in no way a deflection - it was a direct reply to your assertion.

This is not correct. I NEVER claimed the designs were mine. The certificates for the over-strikes ALWAYS state the name of the coin's original designer above mine. Look at the certificate posted in this thread (post # 679). And also note that the "B" for "Barber" is still present on the neck truncation after the over-strike.

As I said above, they are not my designs and I never claimed them to be. I do claim that I arranged the digit placements and chose the font style of the changed digits of the fantasy date.

But we will disagree on the part about the over-strikes being "copies". An analogy would be a restored and re-painted Mustang automobile with different wheels put on it. It is not a "COPY" of a Mustang - it is a restored (altered) genuine Mustang.

I have received a vast number of emails and other communications from collectors who tell me how much they enjoy collecting the over-strikes. If not for the "collector enjoyment" that people get from them, I wouldn't produce them. I like making them because they are a challenge, and I like unusual coins. Yes, I make some profit producing them, but there are a lot of expenses in running a mint, even a small one. Only about 25% of my total business is fantasy-date over-strikes. The rest is commissioned minting jobs and/or original-design works.

 

I remember talking to Ken in 2010 about my new (at the time) "1964-D" over-strike Peace Dollars. I don't remember what all was said, but I mentioned that I thought he should add some more information to the Red Book concerning the 1964-D dollars. I do remember that either Ken, or his son (or both) bought one of my "1964-D" over-strike Peace Dollars at that time.

 

I like and buy a few of Daniels coins. I bought this 1816 Half Dollar O/S MS67+ from him a few years ago. I decided to sell it on Ebay. I had it listed in the correct category under fantasy coins. In the description I stated that it was a "fantasy coin". I said the coin was not made by the U.S. Mint it was made by Daniel Carr. I made it VERY CLEAR that it was NOT a real coin. The BIN price was $245.

It sold a few days later, he paid, I shipped. No problems....WRONG !!
After he got the coin he sent me a message saying he couldn't find the 1816 Half in the Red Book and wanted a refund. I refunded and paid for his return shipping. He left positive feedback and I quickly blocked this buyer.

On his "ABOUT ME" page he said he had been a collector for years.
I sent him a message asking him if he really thought he could get a high MS Bust Half for $245. Guess what.....no reply.

Take what you want from my experience, just sharing my story.

 

What did you end up doing with it ?

The only two completed auctions for the "1816" Bust half dollar that are still on record at eBay both sold two months ago for $330 and $325. Both were listed as "Carr" over-strikes.

 

Sold to another Ebayer a few weeks later. I looked them up and it first sold for $245 and then sold for $225.

FIRST SALE
very pleased, will do business again!

More than a year ago
DANIEL CARRS "1816" CAPPED BUST HALF DOLLAR.... "OVERSTRIKE" COIN DIE PAIR 1 US $245.00

SECOND SALE
Super fast shipment. Great communication. 5 stars all the way. AAAAA++++++

More than a year ago
DANIEL CARRS "1816" CAPPED BUST HALF DOLLAR "OVER-STRIKE FANTASY" COIN US $225.00

 

Sounds more like buyer's remorse to me. You made it perfectly clear what it was in your listing.

 

One of my biggest regrets is not picking up one of Dan's Buffs when it was staring me in the face.

 

Could have stopped after your first four words.

I like Daniel's stuff, some much more than others. I collect his Ameros mostly. Some designs are really nice, some are cartoonish. I see nothing wrong with his overstrikes, though. Most aren't my cup of tea, but a few are, like the Buffalo nickel and this half. I like Daniel's work because it's mostly well executed, and I like to torture conspiracy theorists with the NAU Ameros. It's just too much fun to get wackjobs all lathered up.

 

I take away one thing--he wasn't the collector that he claimed to be, and never did his due diligence about learning coin series. If he didn't know that was a nonexistent date, that is his stupidity as a rank amateur collector. We have all had to learn the hard way--when I was a kid, I had all those beautiful "MS Morgans" bought from some boorish dealer. Of course, they turned out to be AU cleaned and whizzed.

 

They are NOT counterfeit. Just lose that argument--it has been legally dealt with a thousand times. What it falls into is a matter of taste--you like them, or dislike them. However, they are not counterfeit--they're reproductions and interpretations of a previously existing design that are NOT INTENDED TO DEFRAUD.

 

I wonder what people thought about the tribute Brasher Doubloons cranked out at Rosemont last year. They did put a small design feature on them, but they weren't legally required to.

If our standard is going to fall to "could a moron be confused", the whole hobby goes down the swirly.

That thingy on the ANA logo is called the "Lamp of Knowledge", not the "Ignition Source of Ignorance". In other words, "you can't fix stupid".

 

Hmm... Google "coin authentication" and PCGS comes up within less than a second. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=coin authentication

It is also interesting that you overlook the fact that there are people that do not live within 50 miles of a PCGS or NGC authorized dealer. It also appears that you missed the thread where someone here inherited coins and joined the PCGS collector's club for themselves to submit coins. With regards to tier, I don't care what tier is used. Anyone that pays one red cent in postage, insurance, and submission because of his pieces has incurred pecuniary damages that wouldn't occur if people would properly mark their coins as not authentic 1964-D Peace Dollars. Even if prescreened (which might not happen - see the first paragraph), the person is still wasting their postage and insurance to mail it to a dealer which shouldn't need to occur in the first place. That is injury.

 

The difference is that there is no legal duty to engage in hand holding with the other aspects of numismatics, but there is when a statute calls for it. Only the United States government (unless specifically authorized by another statute such as the HPA) has the right to coin/strike money/produce coins in the design or similitude of coins. Not even the states have this power, and the federal government has an interest in ensuring this exclusivity.