Just got the elusive 1916 Barber Half....

True, till one pops up.

 

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@saltysam-1
You know you're directly impugning every Attorney at Law and the entire legal profession, right? Keeping their clients on the right side of the law, even if barely, is what they do.

 

The wolf among sheep crying foul?...

 

He is right.

 

You're right; I never wrote anything about it, nor had I ever considered race to be a part of this issue until you injected it into the discussion (AKA: deflection). I also had never considered those shown on hobo nickels to be, without dispute, white or any other race until mentioned by you. As for the nickels themselves, can you honestly not see the difference between a person, using an actual tool held in and controlled by their own hand, to transform a coin into something different and your use of computers/CAD to exactly COPY someone else's design?

 

Thank you for stopping by with your fine contribution. Now, unless you have something similarly deep to add... if you don't like it, simply do not read it.

 

Is it really necessary to add the same statements that have already been added 10+ times on this thread though? I feel that we are getting nowhere and learning nothing and therefore this thread lacks a point now.

 

Not as I see it. Most of was accusations in/re the legal status of alleged counterfeiting. That is legalistic, and only peripherally related to coins. Much of the thread, if you read back is accusations against Daniel Carr for producing counterfeit, deceptive coins/ tokens. That is clearly untrue.

 

"We"? Perhaps I missed it, but it seems as though you, at page 36, jumped into the thread for no other purpose than to post a cutesy little photo. There surely are plenty of, ahem, elightening threads here to keep you busy, so if you don't like it, don't read it. With that said, if you can add something worthwhile, perhaps changing the direction of this thread, please do.

 

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You quoted my post before I had a chance to correct it as intended (see # 694).

I wrote that you never wrote anything criticizing the carving of hobo nickels.

But you did write something on the subject.
In a previous post, about a 1905 Indian Head cent that was "hobo" carved to look like a cartoon character, you said it was "well done":
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1905-%E2%80%9Cwho-is-this-indian%E2%80%9D-cent.223874/#post-1656529



My point may not have been concisely expressed. All along it was intended to be this:

You claim that my over-striking of a coin is "robbing the legacy" of that coin's designer. This even though my over-strikes are faithful to the original design but with only a one or two digit date change.

But when it comes to an Indian Head Cent that was carved into a cartoon character, you called it a "good job". What about disrespecting James B Longacre and robbing his legacy by changing his original design in this fashion ?

Your assertion seems incongruous.

 

For the few, long winded, grumpy folk who are freaking out that someone somewhere -may someday- try to defraud someone with one of DC's coins:

Why not go after all the people who are actually perpetrating fraudulent counterfeit sales right now? Look around e-bay. There are probably thousands of listings for counterfeit coins that people are knowingly trying to pass off as genuine.

If you are really so concerned, why not go after real fraudsters? There is no shortage of people actively trying to rip people off.

Me thinks you just need something to gripe about and this looked like a low hanging fruit.

If you complain but you don't actually try to make a positive impact--by going after real fraudsters then your arguments are just empty hot air.

 

This thread prompted me to order one of Dan's "1916" halves, the one with bag marks. Thanks, guys.

 

Welcome to the forum. If you were to take the time ( and it would be quite a bit) and check the # of threads and posts that members have posted about such frauds , there would be 100s of times more than posts on Carr's tokens, and many, many of them have had positive results. So before you criticize the forum member's intentions by deflection, do the research. not just personal suppositions.

 

Same with me, and they just arrived today. First overstrike order ever. Here are a couple of quick pics. Hope you like die cracks. The one on the reverse is huge and shaped like a Y. Off to a graduation and party now. Enjoy, TC

 

Mr. Carr,

The extent you're willing to take this deflection is simply unreal. "Never" in this thread, as I am sure you understood my post to mean, and never in my life are two different things. As for the "cartoonish" alteration of the cent, I indeed said and still feel it was well done... in CONTEXT. It clearly was not intended to be anything other than "cartoonish", so with that in mind, and considering the person, be him/her black, white, brown, green or what-have-you used their hands (as opposed to a computer, CAD, and CNC) to produce it, yes... it was, in my most humble opinion, well executed. Now, in another surely wasted attempt to get back on track, what does this have to do with you? You are NOT taking individual coins, and with the skill in your hands, turning them into something of your own design, but by your own admission are using computer programs and CNC machining to exactly replicate (COPY the original design) dies, changing only the order in which the digits used for the date were used, and against all common sense try to pass the design off as your own. My only real issue with you is your refusal to call a dog a dog; either the design is your own (and we all know they are not) or you're COPYING them. This is why I stated you are robbing the true designers of their legacy.. your refusal to simply admit the obvious; that your "overstrikes" are NOTHING more than copies of the originals, done not for collector enjoyment or any other deflective excuse you wish to offer, but to pad your pocket and promote your name and business. I can absolutely respect a man who sees a niche and does what he can to fill it, no matter how much he may or may not make in the process, but not one who refuses to admit the obvious, to himself and/or his customers, all while taking credit for something, regardless of copyrights or questionable legal issues, that it NOT his. It is really as simple as that, sir.

 

Mr. Carr, the HepKitty is still waiting for some 47 Frankies....

I'll help you pad your pocket, your big fan..... Lucille.

 

Welcome to CT. Please take the time to know what you are talking about before adding more hot air.

 

Whether you consider his coins counterfeit or not, the pieces are deceptive in my opinion. So it is very true. The Red Book even acknowledges them as such in a foot note in the new professional edition. You would think that the experts who wrote the seminal text in the hobby would be entitled to some deference. But then again, there are forum members here who think they know more (not directed at any one person).