1850 Seated Half - removed "O"?

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Has the mint mark been removed

  1. hard to tell

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  2. definitely

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  1. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Kinda looks like they removed a mint mark, and took a lot of the coin with it. :( But the feature that looks like an "O" above the "LF" seems to be the wrong size and position...
     
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  4. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    One more category: "Doesn't matter" That coin would go into my junk silver box. I guess it's good practice for when it does matter.
     
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  5. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    IF you can scan the other side of the coin and upload it here
    or send to me, Do not use emails, they cause spam problems. Use PM ( conversations) from your profile page) i might be able to do
    some worthwhile "research" for you.
    As for your observation about the Left Feather - a half moon
    has apparently been 'shaved off' or 'age has taken its toll'.

    IF it is what i think it is... you might be able to throw a couple
    of thousand dollars to me as a 'thank you' gift.

    Maybe you already know that there is a "design selection" for
    any coin proposed to be issued ? And, in 1796-97, when they
    were just starting out... need i say more ?

    Sanjeev Suri from INDIA
    ^^
    GOOGLE me !
     
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  6. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    What does this coin have to do with 1796-97?
     
  7. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    Thanks Doug. I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to admit to myself that I got ripped.
     
  8. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    There were about 12 designs "under consideration" in that period and even the
    one eventually selected does not have more that 4000* survivors.

    If this coin is one of the several SPECIMEN forged for approval, it is a "great find".
    HOWEVER ( a word of caution ), in mid-19th century, a strikingly similar coin was
    minted [ 1854 ? 1852 ? ].
    From the scraping on the Left wing, one might infer "an attempt to convert" some
    ordinary [ ...again, comparatively ] coin to a RARE one.
    Look for "U.S. Coins Red Book" in your local library
     
  9. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    This is nonsense. And as far as a "local library," mine is 2 feet from the computer and contains 37 different catalogs. My coin "bookmarks" now number over 400...
     
  10. deacon2828

    deacon2828 Active Member

    1850 mintage-227,000---1850-o mintage 2,456,000 maybe it does matter ?
     
  11. doug5353

    doug5353 Well-Known Member

    Not on that dog. Nothing personal, but...the...coin...is...bullion. No one's going to buy that coin as a guilty pleasure, and everyone's wasting their time obsessing about it.

    Let's obsess about nice coins.
     
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  12. deacon2828

    deacon2828 Active Member

    I would take all your low mintage coins for bullion :)
     
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  13. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    No 1850 Philadelphia not New Orleans sadly. Here one to see why I say this. $_1-3.jpg $_1-4.jpg
     
  14. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    Looks like someone's Dremel was broken and after a couple gulps of Jack they used the belt sander to polish it....
     
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  15. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    RE: doug5353's comment : This is nonsense. . . . &
    Both gentlemen have misinterpreted my comment(#suggest - read it again ):
    "even the one eventually selected does not have more that 4000* survivors."
    ^^^ THIS refers to "one of the" 1796-1797 half-dollars.

    Though it was laborious, i am reproducing VERBATIM here THE report that
    was THE SOURCE for my statement:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The reverse has in the center a right-facing eagle, slightly smaller than on the Flowing Hair type, perched on what appear to be clouds. Around the eagle is a circle formed by two branches, laurel on the left and palm on the right, tied at the bottom with a bow. Below the bow is the denomination, represented as the fraction 1/2 (with a horizontal separator), the only time the denomination is so displayed on any lettered-edge half dollar. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA forms nearly a complete circle just inside the dentilled rim. All coins were produced at Philadelphia and have no mintmark.

    The most common half dollar of this type is the 1797 issue, but “common” in this case is relative term. All examples of the type are rare, very expensive at the lower grades and extremely expensive as very fine or finer. The 1796 16-star examples are more expensive than the other issues at all grades. No proofs are known, but a 1796 15-star coin has been certified as a Premium Gem specimen example.

    Specifications:

    Designer: Robert Scot and John Eckstein
    Circulation Mintage: 3,918 (both years combined)
    Proof Mintage:none known, but prooflike specimens exist
    Denomintion: $0.50 Fifty cents (50/100)
    Diameter: ±32.5 mm. Lettered edge, FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR, the words separated by circle, rectangle, or star ornamentation
    Metal content: 89.24% silver, 10.76% copper
    Weight: ±13.48 grams
    Varieties:Two major varieties of the 1796 issue are known, one with 15 obverse stars (likely produced first) and the other with 16 obverse stars. A couple of other varieties with minor differences in device placement or size are also known.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So, maybe 3918 / 2 IS worth obsessing about... AND, then, there are " couple of other varieties " within that 4000* survivors. Enough to make any sane collector drool || Do YOU* or don't you agree ? ;-)
    Nothing personal... me too L-0-L
     
  16. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    OK ! A confession :
    ============
    Last week, I had totally missed reading the TOPIC which is clearly stating
    " 1850 Seated Half - removed "O"? "

    Most likely, would not have wasted any { my }time "obsessing about it".
     
  17. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    LOL. You caught me just before I posted my reply pointing out exactly that. :)
     
  18. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    "Honesty is still the Best Policy"... as we were taught in 3rd grade at school.
    50 years on, ^^ holds as true as ever ;-)
    Yet, i found a couple of friends [ ? can i include you among them ? ] for my
    efforts... not a bad bargain ! What do you say ?
     
  19. Sanjeev Suri

    Sanjeev Suri New Member

    Talking about RARE & "common" coins, the 5 paise Indian coin for 1969
    is already quoting an astonishing { at least, it appears so to me } Rs.100+
    AND, though it IS a fact that 50 paise coins WERE minted in 2012, i have
    not been able to see even one - let alone lay my hands on a specimen.
    Even sporadic trips to Reserve Bank of India repeatedly draw a blank on this.
     
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