READ THIS! The Next Generation Of Chinese Counterfeits Have Arrived

That was it. Nothing else.

And the ONLY reason I mentioned it is because it had already been mentioned.

 

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Yikes! I've been found out *scampers away on all fours*

 

I had the exact same thought.
What puzzles me even more is the fact that these 1934 counterfeits were initially reported in 1985 so, if it were actually counterfeit, it would hardly represents the "Next Generation" from the Chinese.

Regardless, as stated earlier, I have full confidence in the coins I own whether raw or slabbed and reading threads such as this do nothing to interrupt that confidence.

 

AKA; THE MOLE

 

Matt, with all due respect, I'll tell you what's bothering me, as well, it's you're making this broad claim without one scintilla of fact suggesting the claim has merit. What if somebody thinks you're off your nut, you're imagining this, this isn't counterfeit? You're foreclosing cross-examination on the claim. You're asking the jury to convict on your credibility, alone.

As you're not going to give up your facts, as that's pretty clear from the 17 pages of thread, to this point, at least give up names, tell us who else is in this, well, lynch mob. If you did, forgive me, I missed it. I just opened this thread, now, for the first time.

PS: I'm not dense. I get it. But these aren't rice-paddy labor. They're going to keep improving, in spite of us. Why not? They have former U.S. Mint employees standing in the room right next to them telling them what to do. You don't think so? I say they do. Trust me. Like you're asking us to trust you.

PPS: No wonder everybody is going nuts for 17 pages...

 

I was wondering the same thing when I didn't see a mint mark---I guess it might be a 'trial run' for the 'D' and 'S' mints???

Scary as hell if they can produce coins that appear so genuine that even the 'experts' can be so easily fooled....

 

I'm doubting that the coin is counterfeit. And so it isn't "scary" at all to me.

PS:
3-D printing will never be able to produce fakes that will fool top experts. The reason is that any 3-D printed coin would have the characteristics of a CAST coin, not a STRUCK coin.

 

3-D printing is getting better you don't what the future will hold for them

 

When talking about fine lines that transfer during the hubbing or striking process, I was referring to the situation where the fine lines are present on the harder of the two items being squeezed together. If such lines start out on the master hub, they will transfer in full all the way down the line to the struck coins. If the fine lines are present on the softer of the two items only, the lines could potentially still show in some areas depending on how deep and wide they were to start with.

 

Yes, the technology will improve. But the luster of a struck coin can not be matched by a cast coin. And a 3-D printed coin would never have the same "ring" sound as a struck coin.

A struck coin is also ejected from a collar. The edge reeding on such a coin shows the slide marks from the ejection. A 3-D printed coin would not have the same characteristics because the minute surface textures are unique to a struck coin.

 

But it could fool many people

 

Yes, a 3-D printed coin could potentially fool some people. But they wouldn't be any more deceptive than a typical cast counterfeit.

 

I have to disagree with you it would be better then a cast and it would have ring to it not any were like a cast coin would be and more deceptive

 

3D printing is dangerous only because it is a distraction. The best fakes are not made this way now and they will not be any time soon. All the news and buzz around this tech is deceiving.

The best fakes are laser etched and replicated with correct equipment and methods.

See the coin below. It was copied from a different date, as this date in this condition is very rare, it seems like they could not acquire one. The counterfeiters had to settle for a more common date as the base. As a result, the last digit of the date needed to be changed.
The scary part? NGC thought this coin was genuine with an altered date. Any one familiar can see that there is no alteration involved, they just couldn't get the digit modification right.
It is 100% modern fake.

 

3D printing will not replace the way fakes are made it will only add one more type of fake to the list

 

I still think people who do their homework will be fine . Learn the series that interests you and learn the die marriages , the way they tone and if you must buy off of the Internet , buy from well known dealers like Dutchmans or others you trust .

 

I would never buy from a dealer who would not give the diagnostics of a fake. On this post it seems to be the key thing, do not tell what you know. I know, but I won't tell you. So how do you expect anyone to learn?
Better buy from well known dealers who don't know if there fake or care to tell you

 

Sure it is. But it isn't a magical Star Trek replicator, and it won't be during our lifetimes.

 

First, thank you.

Secondly, I must have missed the other mention in this jumbled mess. My apologies for it and for assuming your willingness to rock the boat.