READ THIS! The Next Generation Of Chinese Counterfeits Have Arrived

If you learned anything about this great, new, super Chinese fake than the door hit you too many times. As for me, I would have loved to drink from the water but the Chinese faked it.

 

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Okay, John... I'll make this as easy as possible for you (in my next post). Had you read my last post and took the suggestion to heart, perhaps this could have been avoided.

 

What did you get out of this post any thing from the OP about the fake ?
if you did then lets us know

 

Here you go, John...

Now, is this everything? I don't know - perhaps 19Lyds will further explain - but it does suggest this is, at least in part, what supposed "diagnostics" were used to supposedly identify the subject coin as being counterfeit.

Being as no mods have taken it upon themselves to delete the quoted post, perhaps those in question were simply sharing their personal opinions after all.

 

Opinions from looking at the picture is worthless some think it's real some fake
unless the OP gives the diagnostics all every one is doing is just guessing and that is worthless you know it
MOD dropped the ball on this one

 

Oh, for the love of God, John!

Please... I even quoted the exact post (using a cell phone no less, which is a pain in the...) to make this easier for you, and lessen any chances of confusion. The gentleman I quoted in post #304 was revealing what the OP had told him in response to his question regarding the identifiers used in determining the subject coin a counterfeit. Again, I do NOT know if this is everything, but is a start, and unless the OP wishes to confirm, the best we've to go on at this point. If the information is the same, it should not matter if it comes directly from the OP, or is passed along by someone who got it directly from him.

 

Now you want us to trust second-hand information I said he said but the OP is silent
he made the post then answers the questions that he new would come

 

Jon , why don't you PM the op to get the same information . It seems you'd rather complain to accept the tells that Books led you to .

 

We should all know not just a few and OP should tell the diagnostics and stop the horse
If he don't want to tell then why did he do the post

 

Contrary to what you seem to think, this isn't blindly accepting second-hand info. There are some here who've earned the benefit of what they say being taken at face value, and he, although I do not believe I've ever spoken personally to him, is one of them. We could, perhaps, respect the fact that thus far only he has bothered to contribute openly the information relayed to him, or continue to complain about the fact that the OP has thus far refused to do so; which do you suppose is the smarter, more productive move? Like or agree with it or not, but the OP is entitled to his own opinion, and repeatedly calling him out in a less than gentlemanly manner isn't likely to change it.

 

OP is not acting in a gentlemanly manner that why the post should have been taken down calling a fake with out proof. OP is entitled to his own opinion but he has not give one on why it's fake as for face value that not for a form you need to show the proof not hard
Let's say he right the fakes are good I don't think the Chinese made only 10 of them
so there could be thousands in collectors hand right now and they don't know

 

John, come on... "face value" had only to do with the gentleman I quoted; I thought this rather clear.

As for the OP, I agree in that there was little reason to start this thread then refuse to disclose the supposed identifiers, but it is what it is. Perhaps it's because I lived through Detecto's reign of supreme idiocy, but a guy starting a thread that does not quite live up to expectations doesn't really bother me that much. There was and still is no reason to close the thread, and this is even more true now that we've been given something to work with, so let's let the well-established fact that there couldv'e been a better approach go.

 

Problem is most people dont see the coin in hand first these fakes would be easy to sell online

 

As far as I look at it we do not have anything to work with. The OP sounded an alarm that concerns all of us with a new fake. He put out a very bold statement that the moderator should have questioned because there was no evidence given. I would have shut it down the minute he came with the thing "it's fake but I can't tell you why. The Chinese are watching." That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. All this thread has turned into is a he said, she said. Everyone is guessing now and the worst part is that nobody knows what they're guessing about. If this was something to rock the hobby and ruin my business, I would try to get it out there very quickly to make sure to stop it.

You know the old saying knowledge is power. And if it's true that it's fake he's trying to keep all the power and control what, us?

 

The credibility of the OP is severely in question. That should have been put into the first post of this thread. No comments were to be allowed on it. That's the job of the moderator, I think. And a little common sense. Is he really going to share this information with us? Or is this a smoke and a mirror crap?

One question here: how does he know that there isn't a Chinese spy on this forum watching and waiting to get this information?

You know, some of the people here think the Asians are a bunch of idiots. These items are not made in someone's backyard. So we're always going to be fighting the next generation. Whether it's coins or medicines. I don't like at all the secrecy of this. This is something you blast out and stop it to protect the hobby. Still in my opinion he didn't do any good. Only more harm by holding it back.

I will PM him and let's see if he replies back with the information needed to validate or invalidate this coin.

 

How do we know a Chinese counterfeiter won't pm him? Maybe they have built up a false profile and posted for a while on this forum just for this opportunity?

 

Wouldn't what you've described also affect the fields since the entire surface of the die is "hubbed"?

 

Never mind as I saw your link after posting.