Residual VDB? Do the TPGs recognize them?

Joey, welcome. Let me just say, while I don't know this for a fact, I'm 99.99% confident the VDBs were never ground off to form the non-VDBs, the non-VDBs were fresh dies. In fact, the percentage of confidence may even be higher than that, lol. Really, though, I've seen that issue gone over in the coin forums too many times, and that's always how it comes out.

There are weak VDBs, Joey. In fact, the very strong ones dictate premiums. But, on the whole, all the VDB coins were well-struck. If the VDBs are washed out, it's due likely to grease, or it's just an attribute of the particular die. I'm not QDB, lol, but I hope this helps, at least it's some kind of answer.

 

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Grease filled die.

 

I see things sober..[emoji33] [emoji46] ..oh man thats not right at all.[emoji79]

 

Really? That's not an answer. More like a guess? Then explain why the grease mark or the image is still there 50+ years after I found it?

 

PS It is well known that some of the VDBs were weakly struck. This is a more likely reason.

 

You are seeing what you want to see, and it is simply not there. Sorry. Plus, how big do you think the VDB is? You said the red circle crossed over part of the B and the V, that would be a gigantic VDB.

 

The explanation is that it's a different coin. Show us a picture of your coin from several angles and different lighting conditions and point out where the VDB is.

 

You do not understand what a grease filled die is.

 

I already sent several pictures from different angles earlier in this thread. Let me know if you need them again.

 

Do some research before you tell us about what something is or isn't in a stern tone. It is, in fact, most likely a grease filled die. Now, go do some research...

 

A grease filled die means that there was no metal where there was grease. The 1922 Lincolns (weak reverses) are a result of a grease filled die. FYI, the "grease" in this case is charred hydrocarbons holding powered metal. It is rock hard. It fills the nooks and crannies on the die and sometimes covers a chunk of the die.

 

Start your own thread and post your images there. Why trash this one and confuse everyone?

 

Didn't mean to come off that way. I thought you were telling me that the grease was still on the coin. I did some research and you are correct. It is form of struck-through error caused by a grease filled or some other foreign material that filled the die and caused the error. The Result is that the VBD raised lettering is extremely weak to missing but the image from the strike is present when viewed from an angle. I will start a new thread on show me your filled die errors or something like that.

 

Allow me to educate him some more...

The V.B.D. is of very low relief on the 1909's. It tended to easily fill with hard machine grease, especially the periods between the letters, resulting in weakness in that area.

 

Extra random letters showing up on coins just grind my gears. For example, many of my nickels from the late 19th and early 20th century also have disconnected fairly large V's on them.

 

OK, here it is. I was just looking through my recently purchased book, 'The Official Red Book- A Guide Book of Lincoln Cents', by Q. David Bowers, and found something interesting. In discussing the removal of the 'V.D.B.' initials on the reverse, he quotes a letter the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury C.D. Norton sent to that the letters can't be erased from the mother die because it is intaglio, and it would take at least 14 days to make a new one:

"This delay can be avoided by simply erasing the V.D.B. from the hub and having no B whatever on the coin. From the amended hub (italics mine) the coinage dies can be rapidly and promptly struck off within three days and the mint can continue the coinage of the pennies for which there is great demand..."

Sure sounds to me like they used the hub that still had remnants of the 'V.D.B.' on it to make the working dies.
Charles Barber, designer of the Barber dimes, quarters and halves, didn't want just the initial 'B' (for Brenner) on the cent because he was afraid people would think it stood for 'Barber', and he was opposed to the minting of the Lincoln cent.

Buy the book before the coin

 

Hold your horses. All that shows is someone considered that.

 

Eddiespin..., avatar..., "hold your horses". /snicker

 

Some might find this coin interesting. http://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-cen...tage-484-000-numismedia-wsl-pri/a/1132-7151.s