Would anyone know about 1787 Brasher's

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kened_79, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    I would like someone to help me figure out if this coin is real, and what its made of , thank you
     
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  3. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    [​IMG] to CoinTalk kened_79.

    A good starting place for checking out your potentially very valuable coin would be posting clear pictures of both sides, along with it's weight in grams and diameter in millimeters. ;)
     
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  5. 900fine

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    I know I'll have to hit some winning lottery tickets before I even think about one...
     
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  7. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    Give me some feed back please!!

    Im working on getting pictures up loaded, although it's not working well. I have looked into this a few nights, the coin has all it correct marks that i see. Only thing im not sure about is what it's wieght and size should be. As long as my scales is correct its 9 grams and size is very close3 to 30 mm. I really think its real but from what i read about it 7 were made of gold . The other fifty were made of copper and brass. How would i find out what kinda metal it is and are the 50 made examples worth much ?? Thank you for the help you could give ! It is kinda dark in color, just basicly dirty but when you take pics of it, it really looks great.
     
  8. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Well, that rules out being a gold one. :(

    According to the Red Book (p.44 in my1993 edition):
    That equals ~26.2g. Yours is also too light to be the unique 1787 1/2 dubloon which was struck on an undersized planchet, and weighed half as much at the full ones (~13.1g).

    I can't find anything in the Red Book about the diameter, nor the weight of the base metal versions. They would have been lighter than gold of the same dimensions, but I don't know enough about metallic specific gravities to tell whether ~1/3 the weight is correct.
     
  9. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    pics

    Take a look if this works
     

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  10. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    Look at that it worked
     
  11. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    I can't see enough detail on the first two pictures to adequately compare then with the ones in the Red Book, but the third picture absolutely does not match the Red Book. :(

    In your picture the left wing (right side of the coin) is almost triangular, with a relatively sharp point touching the tip of the shield. In the Red Book picture that wing has a sharp angle on it's bottom instead of the slight curve on yours, and the wing touches the shield from the upper tip to below the wide band across the top.

    Sorry my friend, I don't think you can get a new Bentley in exchange for your copy.
     
  12. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Kened_79,that is definitely a dud you have got there.The Brasher Doubloon is one of the most famous U.S. coins.It was struck privately by Ephraim Brasher,who was a jeweller.The Articles of Confederation was the the then current U.S. Constitution.

    Aidan.
     
  13. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    So were these coins copied alot ??
     
  14. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    It's not like the coin will be 100% perfect after that long though
    So you don't think its work getting it looked at by anyone?
     
  15. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Kened_79,welcome aboard anyway.You will learn a lot about coins here.

    Aidan.
     
  16. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

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    Passage of time isn't going to remove 2/3 of the weight, nor will it drastically change the shape of a design element like the eagle's wing.
     
  17. kened_79

    kened_79 New Member

    I was not implying that, i knew it was not gold. I was more interested in the base metal version that would be a bit different than the large gold coin.

    Could you tell me a good place I could look up info on a silver bill proof set. Very hard too search it and not get results for dollar coin, thanks again
     
  18. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    I'm not sure what you mean by a "silver bill proof set." If you are referring to a bar of silver with a currency design on it, you may have a bar from the Franklin Mint, or one of the other private issuers. Once again, if you want help identifying something, post clear pictures with size information.
     
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