Foreign Coin Errors - 1 Franc

How common are errors for Belgium Francs? Found two this morning -

BTW Happy Easter everyone!

Let me know what you think. 1st is interesting 2nd is minor.

Thanks

Darryl

 

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On the first coin the marks are raised. The fact that they are so big and raised I thought was odd.

On the second, it's sunk down from the chin all the way around his head. The lettering is sitting higher especially in front of his face.

 

Here are a couple more perspectives of the first coin.

 

It's as clear as it could be.?.

 

OK, so what I think you just said is that this is probably not the result of clashed dies.

The marks appear to me to be the result of the minting process. Any ideas? Too big and irregular to be a gouge - I think.

Thanks

Darryl

 

My first thought was broken dies, but I may be wrong. (I don't collect error coins.) Maybe belg_jos knows more about the piece. He is around here ... and also has this website: http://belgium-errorcoins.tk/

Christian

 

Christian,Belg_Jos's website is only listing Belgian Franc error coins.He isn't listing the Belgian Euro coin errors.

Aidan.

 

Sure, but this is a franc/frank coin, and he lists one (Dutch version, in the Rotated Dies section) ... just not with the kind of error that Darryl has. Maybe Jos will be back here soon anyway.

Christian

 

Thank you Christian!

 

Aidan - I'm glad my coin is a Belgian Franc and not a Euro .

 

I have these categorised as 'die deterioration'. The dies of these were use untill they fell into pieces. The most common 'die split' is always found on the line forehead-eye-chin.


The more advanced break as the one you have there, less common, but still out there. I have seen about a dozen of them in the 10 years I'm looking for them.

Here's one of mine:
http://users.pandora.be/labyrinth_of_words/forum/1fr1990vl%20-%20breukjes.jpg

These dies were really used untill the very end. I've seen large cud's on these, and also pieces that have been struck with worn dies, like the one shown below.

http://users.pandora.be/labyrinth_of_words/forum/1fr1991fr%20-%20dubbele%20belgique%20en%2019%2091a.jpg

Nice find, and if you would ever sell it, I have a good home for it

Regards,

Jos

 

Thank you Jos,

Learned something new. Really appreciate you taking the time to explain!

Best Regards,

Darryl

 

Clashed, over-used dies. The belgian mint was somewhat economical with equipment, and you occasionly find pieces with serious marks of die detoriation. I can not decide whether the first piece is from damaged or clashed dies...

 

The design doesn't match to be a die clash. I assume a lot of foreign objects where about during the mintage. I have some really strange struck-through pieces, as you may have seen on my website. Die clashing is very common in Belgian coinage, however, I haven't found any examples on this cointype. I did however on the 5 francs of the same period, so they could be out there.



I made the scan in black/white, but the coin is a yellow copper/zinc-alloy.

Nice finds

Jos

 

I think the second coin (which I did not give as much attention to) may have been clashed die. I am getting ready to send them off to Jos (as they will mean more to him) when I noticed the reverse of the second coin has a mark on it. So it looks like the first was die deterioration and the second die clash? - maybe, I think, possibly. I'll let Jos figure that out for sure!

Darryl

PS - Jos - I want credit for the find if/when you post them on your web site

BTW the mark I am speaking of is right above the 19 on the reverse. It's hard to see but it is there.

I adjusted the brightness a little to see the mark on the obv.

 

Very hard to see, that's the right description

The credit is always given on my website, as you may have seen under all the pictures. No problem there

There is even a coin that I got from a Cointalk-member that is on my website too. (50 centimes struck through scrap)

Happy days

Regards,

Jos

 

Jos - I was teasing more than anything :smile - They are going out today so you should have them in a week or so.

Best Regards,

Darryl