b/c when I was doing coin shows 20 yrs ago I can sell nice white coins much easier than toned coins, but now it seems to me that a lot of members here prefer toned coins.
When I was doing coin shows 20-years ago it was always much easier to sell nicely toned coins than white coins.
Coin shows 35 years ago I would say white was the preferred coin. It started changing about 1985-1990 IMHO. In 1990-1995 it was a toss up in my view, after that leaning towards toned coins, (undipped). Now its way out of kilter IMHO. At least how I remember it.
depends what coin it is ??? some coins look great all white and some coins have character if they are toned. I have really started liking toned coins. my toned collection is getting bigger now. I have probably about 35-40 (52) U.S. and world toned coins now. you will always have collectors that only want white coins and collectors that only want toned. with some raw coins being all white ya never really know if they have been cleaned or if it natural luster.
Fair point, yet with toned coins its MUCH harder to tell if the coin has been messed with and retoned to hide it. I would grant you most coins 50+ years old and are bright white have been dipped, but I think it would shock people to know how many "toned" coins are really problem coins but this cannot be seen because either natural or AT toning is hiding it. Every time I see one of those black toned coins I try to calculate the odds if the surfaces underneath are corroded yet or not. So it cuts both ways. IN the past, being sure the coin was not corroded was more important to many than keeping the toning.
The good thing about toned coins is if they go out of style you can always dip them and remove the toning.
Any coin can be made white, but you can never recapture true originality, once lost. I think it is that purist perspective which now overrides the temptation some have to make every one of their coins look as much the same as possible by dipping them.
I like them in the white, insofar as silver coins go. I don't even like the black oxidation that is so common on silver. I want to see the coin, and I think most grades of circulated coins look better than their grade without all that covering up of detail. Also looks great in the album. Also, I have seen it written here that toning can hide flaws or indications of counterfeiting. It can also be deliberately generated (with heat?) to artificially raise the value of a coin. To each his own, but when it comes to silver, I like "white"
That's a good observation. Market grading has a lot to do with that. Back in the day when we were just technical grading tarnish was somewhat of a handicap in that it obscured the condition-call on the grade. There are some who even referred to it as "damage." We didn't like dipped coins, either, although, in a lot of the cases, that wasn't easy to discern. That's not to say there weren't the "cooks" back then who collected tarnish, and the dealers who saw the niche market in that, just not like today. Today, with "eye appeal," the dumbed-down market grading standard, the emphasis, naturally, is on "pretty," over condition. I don't see that changing. There's much too much fast money in it, all around, is why.
On the other hand you can do a paint job on white coins, believe me there are plenty of AT coins flowing around
some toned coins look very eye appealing. I try to only pay so much for raw coins $5-65.00. I will pay more for slabbed and/ICCS graded soft plastic toned coins $5-100.
Most coins I own are toned to a greater or lesser degree. I only have a small handful of problem coins retoned to mask it. I don't think toning is a big problem in hiding problems either. When I see a problem coin retoned, it's quite obvious. The coin looks like it was tossed in a fire or something
Indeed, that is one of the reasons I love my 1904-O Morgan toner I picked up for my type set. It's an unusual piece in that it has bag toning on both sides (all over the obverse and 60% of the reverse, with a crescent of white where another coin shielded it). I'm glad it survived 111 years to reach me in the condition it's in.