This is just sad...

Hammer job? To me it looks like an obvious hammer job, what are all yalls opinions on this one? To me it is obvious fake, but what has me curious is, how is the 1975 raised? Or does it only look raised? Thought this would be interesting to share. Atleast it's not going for a whole lot, but still could be a bit of a loss.

Phoenix

 

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I would have to say the image was hammered in. And some poor guy paid $45 for it.:hammer:

 

Definitely hammered...

 

Yeah, that is what I thought. Can't help to feel sorry for people that buy stuff like that. But like GDJMSP's saying "knowledge...use it".

Phoenix

 

so whats the determining factor about whats an error and whats been 'hammered'? is it that some elements are indented like on this one? should a normal coin that has been double struck have all elements raised ?

 

Notice the word CENT is backwards, can't happen from a die strike.

 

Just think about it - a die has the design elements incused (sunken), in a mirror image of what the final coin has to look like. A coin has the design elements raised in a correctly oriented position.

After striking, the planchet will be the opposite of what it was struck with.

End result - a hammer job where one coin is pounded into another will have the other coin's design and legends sunken and the legends in mirror image. (Just reverse everything if you are dealing with Indian Head Half Eagles. )

 

The seller's FEEDBACK number (96.5) should have been a clue. I know that before buying any error coin, I will check with yinz guys first! Probably most other coins as well!!

swick

 

45 dollars huh? Just a minute, I gotta go find my hammer. Anybody gutsy enough to email the buyer. :secret:

 

Check this item from seller, pull a $5 bill from your wallet, put it on ebay !

http://cgi.ebay.com/1963A-L96698531...ryZ40029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

MS-50 seated dime

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290091600799#ebayphotohosting

 

Whoever probably didn't hammer so hard over the date.

 

the 1975 is raised because that is the way it was, its the starting coin.

 

Poor guy. $45 for a worthless penny.
A fool and his money is soon parted.

 

I'm not arguing that this coin is authenitc, but is it theoretically possible for an error like this to happen at the mint? If somehow a coin that was already struck wound up ontop of another coin being struck?

 

Yep. I think they are called mules? Not sure. But there have been coins like a cent and a dime struck together, or the popular Sacagewea mule, with a state quarter. Not sure on the correct term, but it has happened.

Phoenix

 

It wouldn't be a mule, I believe a mule by definition is struck by two dies of different denominations.

I have never heard of an error like this hammer coin. You'd need a normal struck coin to get in between the planchet and die, the planchet would have reversed details of the coin, but no underlying details of the normal design.

It would probably need help from a mint worker. I doubt this exists, if it did, it would be big bucks.

 

I think theoretically it is possible - highly highly unlikely - but even if that by chance did happen - like Satootoko said - the letters wouldn't be backwards. They'd be readable like the other side. Clearly the specimen is a hammer job of some type.

Esky

 

Okay, cool. Except, haven't there been "11 cent" coins struck? Like a dime and cent struck together? But yeah, I think you're right on the terminology. Thanks.

Phoenix

 

it would be backward, say you have the the struck coin pressed against a planchet, like

die-struck coin-planchet-die

the planchet would receive the details of the struck coin in reverse, the lettering would appear backwards, but on the struck coin it would be the correct way.