Mamertine bronze

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  1. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    EBay has begun giving a small percentage of purchases back as a kickback in the form of a credit that must be used rather quickly after it is received. Not seeing anything I wanted and thought I could expect to win before the expiration, I went on the look for something not too expensive but costing over the $7.43 credit I had. The result was this AE 25 pentokion of the Mamertines in Sicily c.220-200 BC. The Mamertines were Italian (Oscan) mercenaries who were employed by Agothocles of Syracuse. When he died and they were unemployed some of them captured the city of Messana in 288 BC and killed all the people except mariagable young women whom they used to produce a new generation of Mamertines. Since this coin dates to a couple generations after the main event, the plan seems to have worked. The Mamertines usually sided with Rome in the wars with Carthage and disappeared from the scene when Rome was in control fully. Since they started as Italians, perhaps we could say they returned to their roots about 200.
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    The coin shows a head of Ares and a warrior with his horse. On the reverse right is the legend MAMEPTIN(OI) and a large Pi left of the horse for the denomination Pentokion. These are not rare but not always a lot better than this. It closed at $14.11 postpaid so my credit dropped it to under $7.

    It would be appropriate here to show your Mamertine coins, issues of Agothocles or coins of the Punic Wars.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    For something you had to search for, this is a nice looking coin and the history is quite interesting.
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Not sure they actually fit in this thread, but I have three coins I have labeled as Sicily/Carthage Punic:
    SICILY, PUNIC 4.jpg Sicily, Punic 3.jpg Sicily, Punic 2.jpg
     
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  5. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    A very nice pickup, with your fotograph skills we can enjoy many details.

    All the best,

    Eric
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Great choice, Doug! This coin may have circulated contemporaneously with yours.

    Sicily, Syracuse
    AE20, 5.1g; c. 274-216 BC
    Obv.: ΣΥΡΑΚΟΣΙΩΝ Laureate head of Apollo left.
    Rev.: Pegasus flying left; below, Δ.
    Reference: SNG ANS 647. Calciati 85.

    pegasus.jpg
     
  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    A few years was able to score this billon Tri-Drachm from the Second Punic War.

    Africa,
    Zeugitana. Carthage
    Hannibal Barca (The Scourage of Rome)
    Struck 210-205 BC
    BI Tri-drachm 25.6mm @ 10.54g
    Obverse: Traditional Bust of Tanit Left.
    Reverse: Horse Standing right Palms tree Behing (small scale type)
    Ref: Lorber 168
    Note: HJB- states that it comes from a hoard cataloged by C.Lorber around 1997 it appears in Coin Hoards Vol. IX 2002 Punic "Horse and Palm" Billon Tridrachms by C. Lorber.
    Note:Scarce to Rare.
    HannibalBITridrachm2ndPunicWar.jpg
     
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  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Hannibal Traveling Military Mint.
    Iberia, Carthago Nova
    c. 220-210 BC. AE Unit 13.4mm 1.59g
    Obverse: Bust of Tanit Left
    Reverse: Carthaginian Helmet
    ref: Alvarez, Burgos (1992), 86, 403-4 ; Villaronga (NAH, Numismática Antigua de Hispania) p. 69, nº 43 (pl. II, XXI / XXII) ; Lindgren I, 2)
    IberiaHannibal.jpg
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Doug, that's a very cool $14-addition (even Bing must be giving you a standing-o for that sweet score?!!)

    Agathokles, eh? .... I think I have a couple of those babies hangin' around here somewhere? (hopefully I have the correct dude?)


    Sicilia, Syracuse: Agathokles AE23
    317-289 B.C.
    Diameter: 22 x 23 mm
    Weight: 9.7 grams
    Obverse: head of Kore-Persephone left, wreathed with grain
    Reverse: bull butting left, dolphin and above, dolphin below
    Reference: SNG ANS 561-571

    bull & dolphin.jpg


    Sicily, Syracuse: Agathokles Æ24
    317-289 BC
    Diameter: 23.9mm
    Weight: 9.26gm
    Obverse: Diademed head of the young Herakles left, ΣΥΡΑΚΟΣΙΩΝ before
    Reverse: The Nemean lion striding right, club above, ΣΩ in exergue
    Reference: Calciati II, p290, 150, R1 7; c.f. SNG ANS 733ff
    Other: gVF, superior portrait with sculpted features usually represented by simpler forms


    syracuse lion.jpg
     
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  10. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    a well spent 14 bucks, interesting group of folks as well...had no idea who they were.


    here are my only punic war coins...

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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Carthage Horse-head AE20
    300-264 BC
    Tanit & Horse-head


    carthage.jpg

    ... ehhh?
     
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  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    It's interesting that the average ancient Sicilian coin is in a rather poor grade. We all seem to have a few of these. The really nice ones command big premiums of course. I wonder why they didn't survive as well as other series.
     
  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    who you callin' poor grade?!!

    :cigar:
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    You're exempted. I said the "average" Sicilian. :)
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Coins found in regions that have used chemical fertilizers for a long time might be more likely to be corroded. Is this the case here?
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    :rolleyes:
     
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  18. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Mamertine
    Sicily
    AEPenkontin
    Zeus/Warrior
    Sicily, The Mamertini.jpg

    Carthage
    Second Punic War

    Cathage second Punic War.jpg
    Sicily, Syracuse
    275-215BC
    Poseidon/Trident

    Sicily, Syracus Heron II Posiden Trident.jpg
     
  19. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    I have one from Messana:
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    Sicily, Messana
    Coin: Bronze Pentonkion
    - Laureate head of Ares left, helmet behind.
    MAMEΡTINΩN - Warrior, horse behind, standing left, spear in left, right holding head of horse, Π left.
    Mint: Messana (220 - 200 BC)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 10.72g / 26mm / -
    References:
    • SNG Cop 446, F
     
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  20. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    MESSANA?!!! (Sproinnnngggggg!!!) ... man, I almost missed my chance!! (thanks Pishpash, and Doug) ...

    I love this example ...


    SICILY, Messana. AR Drachm (60 Onkia)
    445-439 BC
    Diameter: 18 mm
    Weight: 3.59 grams
    Obverse: Charioteer driving biga of mules right; above, Nike flying right, crowning horses; olive leaf and berry in exergue
    Reverse: Hare springing right within wreath, ΜΕΣΣΑ-ΝION
    Reference: Caltabiano Series IX, 388 (D175/R168); HGC 2, 807; SNG Lloyd 1111; SNG Lockett 820; Boston MFA 288; Jameson 651; Pozzi 487; Rizzo pl. 27, 11 (all from the same dies)
    Other: 10h … Near VF, toned, rough surface, scratches, scuffs. Very Rare (R2)
    From the Continental Collection

    Sicily Messana a.jpg Sicily Messana b.jpg

    FYI => rabbit examples are fricken hard to come-by!! (but they're all awesome!!)
     
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