Hi gang, I bought this coin a few months ago. It was cheap & I thought it was interesting, but I'd like to figure out an attribution for it. I think it's a Petermenger from Trier as it's very similar to a coin I found searching a French auction. Here's a translated version of the auction description... and here's a pic of the auction coin... So I'm pretty sure at what it is, but wanted some confirmation. My coin is 18mm & 1.38 grams. No idea what it's worth either, I didn't pay much. Thanks
Brian,it is definitely from Trier.Have you checked the German States chapter of the 17th Century Krause catalogue (1601-1700)? You will probably find it listed there. Aidan.
No, I don't have Krause as I don't do much with world coins. I am getting more though so maybe it's time to consider getting them again. Drusus did give me some info on it at Coin People.
Brian,you can buy your catalogues here; www.amazon.com .The postage from Germany is dirt cheap. Aidan.
Even at today's prices, the gas (or bus fare) to visit your local public library and look at the volume in their research section is a whole lot cheaper than buying the book if you don't need to consult it frequently. Even if your local branch doesn't have the particular volume you need, they can undoubtedly obtain it for you on inter-library loan. :thumb:
Brian - In this case it wouldn't do you much good if you had a Krause, the coin is not in there. At least there is no picture nor accurate legend description to pin down the coin you pictured. If you look closely at the cgb coin you will see some differences in the legends. Yes I know the cgb coin has a different date, but even the coins with dates older than yours have legends like the cgb coin. And there was a design change on the reverse (side with arms) that corresponds with the date of your coin - so that makes it harder to properly attribute it also - at least by using Krause. I'll check some more specialized books I have and see what I can find there. But German coinage is not my forte pal, so I dunno. Maybe Ian or Bart will come along - they should be able to help with this.
The coin definitely is in Krause, but as a wrong denomination. It is listed in "German Coins second edition" as a petermenger from Trier KM#154 (C#30), issued from 1682 to 1689 in the name of Johann Hugo von Orsbeck, archbishop. This was the right attribution. Something went wrong in the new Krause, as, in the SCWC 1601-1700 third edition, all the petermengers are now listed as 1/2 petermenger, which is wrong (and confusing). bart
No Brian, if it is from 1678, it will be Trier 1 petermenger KM#138 (C#29), which was issued from 1677 to 1681, also in the name of Johann Hugo, who was archbishop of Trier 1676-1711. In fact the legend says: MONETA NOVA TREVIR(ensis) = new money from Trier, with the mintmasters initials A L from Adam Longerich, mintmaster 1678-1683. On the obverse you can read: IOHAN(nes) HUGO D(ei) G(ratia) ARCH(episcopus) ET EL(ector) TREV(irensis) = Johann Hugo, by the grace of God archbishop and elector of Trier bart
