rim error

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  1. UnCommonCents

    UnCommonCents Variety Collector

    What is this called? How does it happen? 20150414_073305.jpg 20150414_073316.jpg 20150414_073348.jpg 20150414_073445.jpg 20150414_073507.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Looks like a Minor Rim Clip with a Blakesley effect on the opposite side of the clip..The Blakesley effect occurs on most genuine clipped planchet error coins and is characterised by weakness in the rim opposite the clipped end of the coin.
     
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  4. cpm9ball

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    It looks like PMD to me.

    Chris
     
  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That was my second thought also especially a coin that's been around for the past 159 years!
     
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  6. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    A numismatist's level of coin making and knowing when to expect flow lines in those broken areas is KEY.

    I am leaning to Blakesley Effect. Note how the rim denticles also disappear very nicely. However - Coin in HAND/LOOP, etc... required.

    John Lorenzo
    Numismatist
    United States
     
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  7. cpm9ball

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    Isn't the Blakesley Effect a result of a clip? I don't see a clip anywhere.

    What I do see is something that appears to have been produced by some type of crimping device. It shows heavily on the obverse at approximately 11 o'clock and on the reverse at approximately 7 o'clock. There are also weaker impressions at approximately 5 o'clock (obverse) and 1 o'clock (reverse).

    Chris
     
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  8. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    A very light clip like on a Morgan Dollar that we see sometimes being auction off at like Heritage ... could be post mint damage - but I doubt it. Its a back and forth debate without the coin in hand and a magnifier. I 100% agree ... flow lines MUST be EXITING this area ... as an example.

    JPL
     
  9. Colonialjohn

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  10. paddyman98

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    Not all curved clips are that noticeable. Look at these examples on NGC slabbed Morgans. 1st Picture NOT my coin. 2nd and 3rd Morgans are mine indeed.
    80218_Slab.jpg 3182874-035.JPG 3182874-054.JPG
     
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  11. deacon2828

    deacon2828 Active Member

    Small clip, good catch !
     
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  12. cpm9ball

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    If it is so slight that it doesn't show any weakness in the strike opposite it, then how can it be considered a clip. No offense paddy, but I'd need authentication by someone else.

    That being said, the OP's half dime has, not two, but four indentations. How can anyone explain that?

    Chris
     
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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    :D Not offended at all! But I do understand your question.. I question it also! The pics I posted was just to show an example, not to prove that the original coin was exactly what the morgans are.
     
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  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    So, if the clip were small enough, metal could still flow in but it would be a weak impression and the Blakesley effect would still show 180 degrees away?
     
  16. deacon2828

    deacon2828 Active Member

    Yes !
     
  17. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    I see damage from what I think was a jewelry piece.
     
  18. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    Just to be accurate the Blakesley Effect is not 100% present on all clips for some reason.
    I have seen papers and proof on this but certainly with flow lines its two basic tools for this kind of mint error just to make sure its not PMD.

    JPL
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I'm with Paddy, this is a very small rim clip and the blakesley effect IS visible as a weaness in the rim 180 degrees away form the clip.
     
  20. UnCommonCents

    UnCommonCents Variety Collector

    what's the cause of lack in dentical detail on Almost half of the coin? is this related?
     
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  21. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    Its real easy to lose it on this forum.

    JPL
     
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