Would It Be Possible To Have Silver Circulation Coins Today?

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  1. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    For those who know their math better than I do...would this be possible to have a circulating 40% silver quarter or half dollar these days? Or maybe a dollar coin. Yes, I realize silver prices are low and could spike again but set that aside for now and thanks.
     
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Yes, it would be possible, but not for long . . .
     
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  4. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    Obviously the face value would have to be more than the melt value or else they wouldn't stay in circulation, right?

    But how much more is the question I guess.
     
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  5. bearze34

    bearze34 Active Member

    Silver may be low but it isn't that low. If they put, say, a Silver Eagle out in circulation for a buck they would be instantly hoarded. Even @ 40% it would be worth way more than a dollar. I am pretty sure a penny now is worth more than a penny but the value is so low that it isn't practical for most people to worry about it.
     
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  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    1000 times since it is going to the moon :) Although Mexico went from 80% - 10% over the years before they finally made the peso Cu-Ni. In the past 10 years a few countries have floated the idea hoping to attract investors away from the dollar, but never followed through, for good central bank reasons.
     
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  7. Sullysullinburg

    Sullysullinburg Well-Known Member

    But, if you add silver to circulation wouldn't that lower the price?
     
  8. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Not if people hoard them; they wouldn't "stay" in circulation very long.

    Just my opinion.
     
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  9. Stephan77

    Stephan77 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, we may be headed towards aluminum, iron ore, or whatever in coins for circulation, rather than any precious metals. There will never again in the foreseeable future be silver in a US coin for circulation.
     
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  10. Sullysullinburg

    Sullysullinburg Well-Known Member

    Also how many people would really pull the silver out of cirrulation. Nearly anyone knows that copper pennies are worth more then face. I bet if you ask 100 Americans 10 of them still think coins are made out of silver.
     
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  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    A $20 40% silver coin may work.
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All you have to do to understand why this concept could never work is to take a look at history. It's all been done before, hundreds of times. And no it never works because it cannot work, for a multitude of reasons.

    The first thing is to understand why the entire world quit using silver and gold as money - there simply is not enough of it on the entire planet to even serve the needs of our country, let alone all of the other countries too.

    Another thing to understand is that for about 500 years there has been a world based economy as opposed to a group of national economies - what happens elsewhere affects what happens here and vice versa. Therefore all countries have to follow the same rules when it comes to money. And they all found that out the hard way. And that is why we have the system we have, because that is what works.

    Money is just an idea, that's all it ever was and all it ever can be.
     
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  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Adding silver to circulation would not reduce demand. The price would still increase.

    Chris
     
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  14. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    Only if silver becomes cheaper than paper.
     
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  15. Tinpot

    Tinpot Well-Known Member

    There is always enough gold or silver to have a currency backed by such. The real reason gold and silver were thrown to the wayside is because bankers can't make as much profit on a gold and silver based money as a money that can be created out from paper and issued at will.

    The U.S. economy was much stronger when the dollar was backed by gold, its no coincidence that since we have gone off of a gold backed dollar the economy has struggled mightily.
     
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  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I challenge the claim that "the US economy was much stronger when the dollar was backed by gold".

    First, it requires a definition of "stronger". You could claim that the US economy was "stronger" in the late 1800s than it is now, or you could claim that it was weaker; there's enough evidence in either direction that the argument would never end.

    Second, you need to nail down what you mean by "backed by gold". Did that start in 1834, or 1900, or are you including the bi-metallic standard? Did it end in 1933, or in 1971?

    Finally, "struggled mightily" is a meaningless term. "Mighty struggle" is kind of what a large economy is. Was the economy "struggling" in the glory days of the late 1990s? In the 1950s? Were the brutal depression of the early 1840s, or the Panic of 1857, or the Panic of 1884, or the Panic of 1893 (partly caused by a run on gold reserves), or any of the other panics, recessions and depressions of the period, somehow not "struggles"?
     
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  17. Tinpot

    Tinpot Well-Known Member

    I'm looking at wages in real terms and GDP growth in real terms. Panics mean nothing to me as long as the economy was still growing at a fast rate over a decent sized sample (say 20 years).
     
  18. The issue here could be that silver is not as hard wearing as alloy metals. A possible alternative could be a bi-metal coin where the centre part is silver, and the outer part is a tougher metal.
     
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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    It doesn't take many.

    How many times does a coin get spent during its lifespan? 1000? 100,000? More? Less?

    Suppose that only one person in 100 is looking for "special" coins. (For silver, I imagine that estimate is conservative.) Thing is, it only takes one encounter between a coin and a silver-searcher to take that coin out of circulation. Within a very short time, the probability of that encounter approaches 1 (100% chance that the coin will be removed from circulation).

    Thus, the Gresham's Law mentioned in my profile. :)
     
  20. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Uh oh, looks like there's a rumble going on. Didn't mean to start that. :borg:
     
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  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    That's the problem with asking questions: sometimes you get conflicting answers. ;)
     
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