Beware of rainbow toning

No, just mocking. Reliving a little.

So what have we, here, our Leader has a system? Lol. I've known guys who have left yachts on craps tables for systems. Well, not literally. The thing is, they all have systems. All they need is that one big win. They can't get off that illusion of control until they do lose that "yacht," and then some.

Hey, but they had a good time.

 

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He explained it once, it sounded plausible, but IIRC it sounded like work with a narrow profit margin.

 

Yes, nickels can tone blue.
Yes, 70-d toned halves exist.
Pieces of truth about toning are scattered within the thread.
I do not think for a second that I can differentiate between AT or NT, but I can look at a coins and with 100% discrimination identify if it's dang ugly (DU), or pretty nice (PN). I focus my effors of deciding if DU or PN, let the TPG's decide if MA, and have fun reading debates on AT or NT.

 

for example: PN

 

The question is not if Jefferson Nickels can tone blue, it is whether or not it occurs naturally. Now you have shown a key date 1950-D Jefferson with turquoise toning that blankets both sides of the coin. While this is not the shade of blue-violet that I was referring to, it is still a color I have never seen before on a Jefferson Nickel and I have been collecting them for the better part of a decade. When you combine key date with a very unusual toning color scheme, scrutiny is in order. Since you have omitted the label in your photos, I have no idea if this coin is in a problem free NGC holder, a details holder, or an ANACS holder. And no matter what holder it is in, I would not feel comfortable having a coin with toning this questionable in my collection. Additionally, the coin does not meet my standards with some other elements of grading that are not relevant to this discussion.

The only Jefferson Nickel that I have ever owned with significant blue toning was a 1943-S that I believe resides in Robec's collection. Here is my photo:



Hopefully Bob can post his photo of this coin which is much better than mine. With regards to the toning, though it is blue, it is a far cry from the AT one posted in my toning scale and extremely different from the 50-D as well.

In the end, every collector needs to decide for himself if the toning on an individual coin meets his own standards before purchasing and certainly before paying a significant premium. Coins graded by NGC & PCGS provide a measure of liquidity but the closer the coin is the QT/MA range, the less liquid the become. And this is precisely because collectors don't just buy plastic, they apply their own standards. I try to avoid paying large premiums for coins that are on the border of the QT/MA range unless the beauty of the coin is stunning (eg. Appalachian Jefferson Nickels).

 

That coin, reminds me of this coin:



And I know for a fact that the 1879-S was gassed. In the slab. After the fellow that bought it did some inquiries on how coins tone or could be toned.

 

I don't see the similarity that you are seeing.

 

Not artificial just cleaned

 

Paul, that isn't the Jefferson I have. I have your 1942-P.

 

Here is my blue 1950-D. Not sure where it fits in regard to this discussion. It was originally in an ANACS MS66 slab. I cracked it out, sent it raw to PCGS where they also graded it MS66.

 

Not to that extreme and my ASE has only been in the album for 2 years so maybe it will tone like that eventually. It seems the %90 silver tone a little differently in the dansco albums. But yea golden toning working from the edges.

 

I was actually excluding the war nickels. Due to the silver content, they will tone just about every color. That said, the Appalachian hoard is definitely QT/MA and most believe that the entire hoard is AT. I'm gonna post the photos here because those E-Bay links will disappear after a few months.





These two coins which are consecutive coins in the same Appalachian submission have virtually identical toning. So they were either stored in the same conditions or they were created using the same process. Personally, I find some Appalachians more questionable than others. These with that pattern on the reverse fall into the more questionable category in my opinion

 

So you are comparing this coin



with this coin:



And you want to call my comparisons silly. Imagine both of those coins were raw and you were considering sending them to PCGS for grading. Are you really stating that your concern level for ending up in a GENUINE holder for questionable toning would be the same?

 

I have already agreed that getting AT coins past the TPGs can be done. That is not debatable, it is proven. What I am saying is that it is extremely difficult to do, and only a few people can do it with any consistency.

 

So.....my silver coins are either AT or dipped. The only unaltered silver coins I have left are some ugly gray-brown examples. Thanks to all the knowledgeable people who have contributed to this thread, I'm looking for a new collecting hobby....maybe ancient buttons?

 

I could not agree with you more. I absolutley LOVE that so many people (angry people) on these forums HATE toners...I could not have wished for anymore as delightful as this. Like you said more for us and at a cheaper price. <thumbs up>

 

WOW!!!!!

 

That's a obvious AT coin to me, I have been seeing a few Morgan's lately at local shows with that same Toning progression. They are always raw coins, but will only fool novice collectors.

 

ROFL...naw...I just said that to rile you up and make you type more of the nonsense that you have been typing in regards to this thread. ROFL... <passes the popcorn to the next forum member>