Beware of rainbow toning

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  1. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    One more pretty one. Amazingly enough PCGS TrueView photographed this beast through the Old Green Holder slab plastic.

    1882-O Morgan Dollar. PCGS MS63 (Old Green Holder)
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  3. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    You need to take a gander at this Matte Proof Lincoln Cent close-up to really appreciate it. IMHO this is more like a 100 year old sculpture (work of art) that belongs in a gallery or museum.
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  4. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    @WingedLiberty , you should have used some sunscreen on Abe's forehead before taking him outside!!

    that's a real beauty.
     
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  5. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Please make me another like this also

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    robec, Mar 30, 2015
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  6. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I'd like one also, so make it two more. I also want you to duplicate many of Winged Liberty's coins as well.

    If you want, I can use excel and create an order form for you to make it easier! :)
     
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  7. re-collect

    re-collect Active Member

    I don't want copies, I want something original. Please take a MS Peace dollar and give it the normal golden undertones, highlighted with red stripes and blue polka dots. I would like crisp definition between colors, no fading or blending. Since the TPG's can't tell the difference between natural and artificial toning, it should come back as a high grade unaltered example. Thanks!
     
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  8. Coinchemistry 2012

    Coinchemistry 2012 Well-Known Member

    Actually Paul, it is my understanding that Pat (poster Braddick) was offered $5,000 for that coin in the PCGS holder and turned it down. :eek: He then cracked it out on a bet, and it is now in a details/AT holder. I'm sure PCGS was very happy with the crackout on that one.
     
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  9. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    A bit of color/toning can make an AG3 coin look really interesting. I bought this coin raw on eBay for $21.50 and it graded PCGS AG3 first and only time I submitted it. I think color like this would be nearly impossible to cook. And if you could figure out a way to cook it and then sold it for $20 on eBay -- your hourly wage for all your effort I bet would be less than $1 an hour. I'm not sure who would have any motivation to do that.

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  10. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Well, there is always one idiot!
     
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  11. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    Since you guys are putting in your request, I have one as well. I need a toned 1970 D kennedy to complete my set. I have never seen one, so maybe the experts on this thread can make me one. I just need it graded by PCGS. You can take a $10 coin tone it real nice send it to PCGS, and I will pay$1000.00
    Here is what I want it to look like.
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    I will send payment instantly as soon as you get it back from grading. Thanks in advance.
     
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  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Got this one yesterday. Looks extremely iffy to me. It's even brighter and more vibrant than this in hand.
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  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Thank you, Lehigh. I've been discharged from the hospital and I'm Amtraking to work right now. That rainbowed '64 Jeff does bug me a little though. Call it a fetish if you want, but why does the rainbow's plus factor wipe out the minus factor of the "crud" in front of, and especially behind ol' Tommy Boy? To me, there are competing factors here and it rates a PF67? Wow. Tough for me to take that seriously.

    I'll warn you up front that my "lab" is an ordinary rurally located rancher kitchen, not something out of a Grade B movie with Jacob's Ladders and Vandegraff machines all around. I do own one Bunsen Burner, but it doesn't figure in. It's mostly boring retro darkroom tools and chems. To be square with you, contrary to the thread title, the easy stuff to fake is what I call the "brown splotchy" toning, which is getting premiums I just don't understand. Rainbow requires different techniques, and is fairly hit or miss. I am suggesting here that there HAS TO BE somebody better at this than I am, if because of better equipment if nothing else.

    I ran into this completely by accident, because after thiourea/citric acid dipping, I use a baking soda bath to fast stop the thiourea/acid before the distilled water bath. One time I accidentally put the baking soda in with the thiourea, and got wild tones. Most unattractive, at least to my eyes, but some really neat! I often see stuff like I got in slabs with gaudy grades.
     
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  14. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    That is a pretty common and market aceptable toning pattern for columbians. I have bought and sold several circulated columbians with similar blue, yellow, rusty orange red progression.
     
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  15. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Send it off to the Canadian mint. They're real good at coloring coins........
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Do you really think these people are that stupid ? I mean they know full well what would happen if they flooded the market - prices would collapse. On that point we agree. But knowing that, they don't flood the market. Instead they produce enough to make themselves a pretty penny and allow prices to fluctuate as the market dictates.

    Now you say you don't think it's possible today - why ? Is there any other reason besides your comment about flooding the market ? Do you understand what causes coins to tone Vic ? And if you do understand it, then why would it not be possible to duplicate that toning ?

    Think, use your head instead of your emotions. Toning is really quite simple, it's not some great complicated thing. Toning is nothing more than the coin's metal reacting with the air around it. So to quickly duplicate any given pattern or type of toning all that has to be done is to expose the coin or coins to concentrated gasses.

    Now yeah, you have to know what those gasses are and the correct proportions. And you have to know how to concentrate them. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. You want to duplicate crescent toning, easy enough. Loosely stack some unc coins with one only partially covering another. Expose those coins to the correct concentrated mixture, and in a few hours you have beautiful crescent toned coins. You want tab toning, do the same thing. You want album toning, do the same thing. You want textile toning, do the same thing, etc etc.

    It's not hard, it's actually very easy. All you need is a little knowledge and know-how.
     
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  17. Colonialjohn

    Colonialjohn Active Member

    GD JMSP = Who are you? Your name?

    JPL
     
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  18. re-collect

    re-collect Active Member

    If you want an example of how opinions are being offered as fact..read no further. I'm starting to not like the tone of this debate.
     
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  19. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Lol that is his real name
     
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  20. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    I do think they are that stupid. Mainly because if even 1 other person knows how to do it then it because a race to see who can cash out first. Which is why I think what I do.
     
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  21. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Custom work requires a deposit. Sending my address.
     
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