Calabria Tarentum vlasto reference

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    syracuse octopus b.jpg Titus & Dolphin b.jpg
    turtle a.jpg


    => oh my God => I even decided to eat a fricken "sea turtle"!!

    ;)
     
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  3. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Gorgeous coins Steve!!

    Ok, who's the obol and litra expert...to answer Pishpash---not me unfortunately...I would have to research it as usual. I knew this new fangled gizmo called a computer would come in handy LOL
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Denomination

    scroll-down to the bottom of that link to find a great table (I've printed-out that baby and pinned it to the wall) ... it's money!!

    => the weight of an obol dances around a bit (depending upon the region ... please refer to the sweet link) ... the weight of a litra seems to be "approximately" 0.86 grams according to the Sicilian scale (man, I love Sicilian coins!!)
     
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  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    So neither then? AT 0.52g it is more like a tritartemorion.
     
  6. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => 100%

    => Doug usually loves flyin' in right about now to give an explanation of why these weights "ain't cast in stone!!"

    ... I merely use that table as an approximate-guide (one data-point)

    => earn your Masters degree and figure it out for us!!


    ;)
     
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  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Greek stuff is so HARD :D
     
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  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    :DAmen to that Brother Pishpash...I guess that's way they say.."It's all Greek to me.." when something seems incomprehensible...
     
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  9. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Sister Pishpash :D
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    "Sweet" Sister Pishpash!!

    ;)
     
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  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    So you're a nun. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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  12. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

  13. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    :smuggrin:
     
  14. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice lookin' scallop pish. i was surprised by the size, my first intuition was that is was much larger...like twice as big.

    yeah, i've kind of given up on exact greek coin units. pick one that's close and i don't think anyone will argue with you much.
     
  15. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    The camera is on charge, I will take a photo for JA tomorrow "on the finger" it is a tiny little thing.

    I will print out the table, different websites give varying weights, and I think you are right Chrsmat, closest will do.
     
  16. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    Searching acsearch.info, I found 4 fractional Tarentums of your type: two "obols" (0.74 and 0.84 g) and two "hemiobols" (0.19, 0.28). Granted that the weights of these fractions vary widely, the weight of your coin seems to fall at about the midpoint of the average weights of these two denominations. So, perhaps it is a tritartemorion. What I found interesting is that on all four of these coins the dolphin is facing right, whereas on your coin it appears to face left!
     
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  17. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Trust me to be different. :(
     
  18. ancientnut

    ancientnut Well-Known Member

    That's not a bad thing! You might have a very rare piece!!
     
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  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Rare is GOOD...I hope it turns out that way for you Pishpash!!
     
  20. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    JA wanted to see a picture of the coin on my finger, so here it is
    IMG_2596.JPG
     
  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Given its place of origin, I'd call it a litra or hemilitra. Better yet, just say AR 9mm :)

    For what it's worth, I have a similar coin and NGC called it a litra. Also according to NGC, my coin weighs 0.56 gm. I don't trust the accuracy of my digital scale at the low end and have not reweighed it.

    CALABRIA-Taras-ARlitra-Scallop-Dolphin.jpg CALABRIA, Tarentum
    325-280 BCE

    AR litra, 11 mm, 0.56 gm
    Obv: cockle shell
    Rev: dolphin right, trident* below (I think it might be a bunch of grapes)
    Ref: Vlasto 1530 (if grapes rather than trident, Vlasto 1527)
    from Heritage Auctions 13 Nov. 2014
    Formerly slabbed, NGC Choice VF 5/5-3/5; cert# 3601372-003

    *
    The auction description said "trident below" but I think it is grapes and therefore Vlasto 1527. It will remain a guess though because of condition.

    I did an acsearch of "Calabria, litra" and found many more, including left-facing dolphins. The designation of litra vs. hemilitra within that general weight range was inconsistent but most were labeled "litra".
     
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