Couple of Ancient Hebrews

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Mar 16, 2015.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Very fine. Can you please identify the Greek god on the obverse of the Tyrian coin ? BTW. I went to my seller today and managed to acquire 4 coins with palm trees, thinking they are Hebrew. I soaked them in distilled water and shall post them tomorrow . Remember that in History Phoenicians and Hebrews were close neighbors. Meanwhile, Other interesting coins were also acquired by myself. Hope to post them in the next hour or even before LOL.
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I'm going to guess that coin is Seleucid. The palm tree is definitely Tyrian, and the Seleucids had a mint in Tyre. Also, I think I can read BASI... on the reverse, which is the start of a Seleucid legend.
     
  4. askea

    askea Active Member

    It looks like Demetrios I Soter, Tyre mint. There is a similar one on Wildwinds.
     
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  5. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here are 4 others with palm trees , boughs, letters and ship. I can't tell which is Hebrew or Phoenician. I also apologize for the poor condition of these. HPAL TR.jpg HPal TR R.jpg Sig O.jpg Sig R.jpg HWRea O.jpg HWREa R.jpg Ship O.jpg ShipTurr R.jpg
     
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  6. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    1st, Judaean, Antonius Felix, Roman Procurator Under Claudius and Nero, 52 - 60
    2nd, First revolt prutah
     
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  7. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I can't believe Nemo. How can you identify so surely and quickly with such a poor condition of coins. Touch wood, as we say here.
    Charles
     
  8. askea

    askea Active Member

    Well Charles, Nemo is correct. The 3rd is Nabataean, you can see Queen Shaqilat's name in the first image.
     
  9. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I've never heard of a queen named Shaqilat. I wonder what I'm buying from my seller. Among these 4 coins, I could only and scarcely recognize the face of a person on the obverse of the last coin, whereas the reverse of that same coin shows a ship down. That is the last coin down.
    Yes now I see what you mean concerning the name of the queen. On the right column, the upper coin seems to have possibly some lettering in the middle of the coin which is almost perfectly green. Askea.. What language could that be? Did the Nabataeans speak Arabic or what ? Please excuse my spontaneity..
    Charles
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Nabataeans spoke Nabataean. I specialize in these coins. You can read more about them on my website.
     
  11. askea

    askea Active Member

    What John said.:)
     
  12. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Yes I can read that now . Just in the middle of that coin " Shaqilat ". I see that the Nabataean language is a Semitic language, just like Hebrew, Phoenician and Arabic. You read from right to left. O.K ? JA: I watched your site and found out that there is a considerable similarity between the Nabataean and the Arabic languages. For instance, the word " year " is the same . There must be many others. Thus, there is an important remark I need to tell you about . Please read this in your inbox in a few minutes.
    Could anybody please tell us anything about the last coin? The obverse is on the right column: The second down. The reverse is on the left column ( to viewer): The last one down. The obverse shows clearly a face heading right, whereas the reverse shows a ship on the lower part of the coin.
     
  13. askea

    askea Active Member

    Looks Phoenician to me. That might be a good place to start.
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Thanks for the correction, Charles - I get easily mixed up between nun and lamedh because they sometimes look so similar on the coins. I will go through my site to see if I've made that error anywhere else.
     
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  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    IF it's Phoenician, as I think, Would the coin be struck under the Greek or Roman rule, or maybe others. Does the face on the obverse suggest anything , as to identity ? At first, it looked as if turreted, thus hinting possibly to the Greek goddess Tyche. Remember that Tyche was adored by the Phoenicians long before the Greek. It's like Astarte before Aphrodite or later the same Roman goddess of Love Venus.
     
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  16. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Brother JA. You are always welcome, as I do owe you a lot.
     
  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The head is obviously turreted Tyche, the reverse looks like it has a galley with inscription above. There are a number of these types minted in the Levant. If you could get a better picture of the reverse, that would be helpful.
     
  18. askea

    askea Active Member

    What method do you use to photograph your coins Charles? or are they scans. They always seem to have a bit of a watercolour look to them, a bit out of focus. Just being curious.
     
  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Charles, if you get a chance to look at the rest of my site, please give me any other corrections you might have. Since you're obviously fluent in Arabic, you would be able to spot such mistakes easier than myself.
     
  20. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Of course.
     
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  21. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Askea. I always use the scanner HP DeskJet 1510 ( Print - Scan - Copy ). In rare occasions , I call on my neighbor in the building who is a photographer. She's a friend and has a very modern and professional camera. Sometimes, I use the modern iPhone 6 of my son.
    This time, I think that the Phoenician coin is so common that we almost all have similar ones with much and much better conditions.
     
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