LOOK WHAT JUST SOLD FOR $1,884.02

and the coin slab is photographed on fake leather too. Naugahyde.

 

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7272 is the coin's type number (i.e. the 1901 Morgan Dollar is listed in CoinFacts as coin #7272).

The decimal is the grade (.64 = "MS64").

The certification or "cert" number (the individual specimen's unique ID) is what comes after the slash. This coin's cert number is 30444596 and that's the number you'd enter into the cert lookup for PCGS.

Other TPGs have different conventions.

 

WHY would you be sick about NOT buying a fake?

 

Here's the "REAL" MS63 #30444596 coin - Quite a difference!!

 

LOL not even close ...well kinda close ... don't want to give the counterfeiters any heads-up on what they did wrong ... they watch these threads i bet

 

I agree fake coin and pcg holder

 

I just looked and the only negative feedback the seller has is the buyer of this coin. The other two listed are feedbacks as a buyer.

 

Only $ 2.82 shipping

 

Don't even look at the holder. The coin is a very obvious fake. And it's too nice for a 63.

 

Even if the coin looked similar the fact is that nobody sells a $15000 item for $1800. I saw a 1934 St. Gaudens F.H. that sold on E-Bay for about $500 and had over a dozen bidders. Nobody except the experts bidding on it ever heard of a full head $20 gold piece. People are suckered in by greed all the time

 

First think I noticed was that the label was all wrong. then the slab. then the coin. I would recommend that anyone who has trouble telling that this thing is a fake only buy from established, respected dealers and auction houses. In any case I am sure that the Chinese are working on better fake coins and slabs all the time. Now that eBAy has removed any effective way of getting fakes off the site, it's open season.

 

I wouldnt be surprised if 3 or 4 accounts are on this working together. One posts an item, the others bid to win, they pay their fees, and keep doing it until some sucker comes along with more money than cents (pun intended) They build up some feedback and they look legit.

 

You are right again Chris It look's fishy !

 

I can understand that it would sell for a percentage of its real value if it was fake, but almost $1900 for a fake?
I bought a fake seated dollar off Ebay quite awhile back, but it was understood by us both that it was fake, and it cost under $20 including shipping from China, (where else?)
Maybe the fact it is fake drove away more serious bidders who could actually afford it, but almost $1900 would hurt me.

 

Imho, though am anything but an experienced seasoned expert
on Morgan dollars, I do collect the rare dates & mintmarks in MS
and the espercialy the DMPLs in high MS grades ( above MS 64 )
So I've researched as much as I can absorb on the topic of Chinese
counterfeits. And this 1901 Morgan looks like a forged reproduction...
Ditto the holder. It's no secret that there's a state of the art factory
somewhere in China that cranks out an alarming number of rare
date Morgans from forged dies. And that they've been flooding the
USA with expertly made counterfeits. Unless someone is dilligent
in comparing them side by side with an authentic one, it's too easy
to be conned. We know that in the 1921 Morgans Liberty appears
differently than in 1904. The 1921 appears more masculine than
the original school teacher who modled for Chief Engraver Morgan.

Only going on a hunch here, but the mouth of Liberty seems to me
at least to appear different than a genuine 1901. Check out the 1895
Proof that Kazuma78 has photoed as his avatar immage. The upper
lip of Liberty seems 180 degrees, yet the bottom lip seems angled at
135 degrees downward. On a normal business strike both lips should
flare out the top lip up, the bottom lip downward. The lips on Liberty's mouth appear recessed inward on this fake. I'd expect more definition
of the Eagle's feathers for a genuine Philadelphia Mint 1901. This fake
has the breast feather pattern of a 1921 ; the feathers are very weak
like a New Orleans Minted Morgan. Wierd. Unless I'm seeing things,
these are my observations.

Also, the only genuine 1901 MS Morgans I've ever seen have genuine
NGC or PCGS holders which are a known target for counterfeiters. And
it seems odd that a genuine 1901 would be auctioned at less than a
Heritage or Stacks & Bowers auction house which is a reputable place
to bid on a 1901 MS Morgan. If I have my facts straight, the Treasury
melted the MS Morgans stored closest to the vault doors during WW1.
Making the 1901 exceptionaly rare in any grade of MS. I've always seen
reputable coin dealers offer them on a Buy It Now basis on Ebay. No
need for anyone to feel sick they missed out on this fake as it's far far better to have your $1800+ of cash than $0000- of nothing, and worse
knowing you've been taken by Fraudsters. You can always make up the bread, but the humiliation of being defrauded will linger a lot longer, no?

 

The simulated coin has to seem way too nice to be a genuine MS 63. Think for a moment how these coins were made from 1878-1904.
They minted almost 1/2 BILLION Morgan dollar business strikes that
were unwanted, & unneeded as a concession to the mining interests
in Colorado and Nevada. Can you say Govt subsidy ? They were 2
beer dollars and got resewn into Mint bags after the banks sent them
back. They didn't want them either. It was only after the WW1 melts
that they appreciated in value. The artisanship that made them Silver engraved fine art on the dies got compromised when they were treated
like coarse gravel being dumped into $ 1,000 bags. So if this counter
feited simulation were a genuine 1901, chances are it would have scuff
marks, rim contact marks on the devices & fields, abrasions of all sorts.
And hairlines incused. The American Numismatic Association recognizes
all that as the pattern of damage done to U.S. coins after minting but
before circulating. So after the Chinese counterfeiters make a replica
they have to judge how much simulated damage they must do to it to
palm it off as if it were a genuine to the unsuspecting. That's why it
looks so clean as if it rested on top of the 1,000 coin mint bag. NGC
has a section on counterfeits to link to to expand your knowledge base.

 

Counterfeiting dollar coins has been going on a lot longer than we think.
My aunt worked as a civilian employee for the Air Force during the 1950s
and 1960s. She'd send me common date A.U. Morgans she'd pick up from
local banks in California for my birthday, Christmas etc. I took one to a
local coin dealer who had 2 just like it. He identified it as a counterfeit.
It was an American counterfeit of an 1885 Philadelphia Morgan. Can you immagine getting a counterfeit $1 coin from a bank ? The coin didn't
weigh the proper 27 grams, and looked very dark, as it didn't have much of a Silver content, much less 90 %. His reply to me was that since a
Silver dollar was a lot of money in 1960, it was worthwhile for American
counterfeiters to fabricate them. The Chinese have made great strides
in targeting rare Morgan dollars to counterfeit. They've wised up to
making them the correct weight ( the Mints used sensitive postal scales )
and using nearly the exact amount of Silver. Since they're as motivated
as monks of the middle ages were to hand copy Bibles before the printing
press was invented, it represents a big score for these forger Fraudsters
per coin if they succeed. Think of how much .9999 fine Canadian Mint
Maple Leaf Gold coins they can buy with U.S. dollars from their scams.