Silver from Carthage

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ValiantKnight, Feb 21, 2015.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    ... from its time as the capital of the Vandal Kingdom (sorry if I got your hopes up if you were hoping to see something Carthaginian).

    Yes boys and girls I knocked another type I was after off of my list! It looks like a normal siliqua of Honorius but this type with its distinctive style was struck by the Vandals during their domination of what were before the Roman provinces of Africa Proconsularis and Mauretania Caesariensis. This was struck from approximately 440-480 AD so after Emperor Honorius himself was dead. I have no idea why; my only guess is that the Vandals didn't want to honor the contemporary Roman emperors they were constantly at war with, so they chose one (Honorius) that they hated less and was not bothering them (the whole "dead" thing), but again that's only my speculation. I know Doug has one of these so maybe you would know why, Doug? Neither do I know why they imitated Ravenna's mintmark on it (RVPS).

    Anyways, it also looks like a big coin but in actuality it not going to be big in hand; its close to the size of a U.S. dime. But word around the block is that it is thicker/chunkier than normal siliquae (but slightly smaller in width). This is actually in kind of better shape than typical examples, and the price for it wasn't bad either. Oh, and did I mention that this type is rare (or at least really, really scarce)?

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    In the name of Honorius, Vandal Kingdom
    AR siliqua
    Obv: D N HONORI-VS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
    Rev: VRBS [ROMA], Roma seated left on cuirass, holding Victory on globe and spear
    Mint: Carthage (RVPS in ex; struck 440-480 AD)
    Ref: MEC 1, 1-3; BMC Vandals 6-9
    Size: 16 mm wide

    And the obligatory map of Vandal country:

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    Feel free to post any Honorius, siliquae, or Vandal coins.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2015
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    what a cool and interesting coin VK, I'm also curious as to why they made the coin imitating a roman coin. give the people what they're used to?
    the style of the bust looks very much like a coin of anastasius.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My assumption is that they copied the style coin that was familiar in the region and would be accepted easily for commerce. I second the opinion that VK's coin is better than the usual for these. Mine is more average but still is not bad since it shows enough of the Honorius and RVPS to be identifiable. I really like VK's much more complete specimen. Mine came from Stacks in 1997 so it is not exactly a junk box coin.
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  5. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Great new Vandal-addition, Jango (good choice, my friend)

    => the coin has super eye-appeal (I'm lovin' ROMA & Victory on the reverse)
     
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  6. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Very nice Jeff, very cool to see some one finding the coins they like to collect!!
     
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  7. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the comments! It arrived today so in-hand photos will be up soon!
     
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    randygeki Coin Collector

  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't know much about Vandalic imitations, but that coin seems to have an ordinate amount of detail for ANY coins of the Vandal Kingdom. Great find!
     
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  10. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

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    The thickness looks/feels like halfway between a normal siliqua and a denarius, in my opinion.
     
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  11. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    What is the weight?
     
  12. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Around 1.6 grams.
     
  13. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Interesting.
    Very nice :cigar:
     
  14. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    @ValiantKnight - You did get my hopes up, but I wasn't expecting Punic silver unless it had been some how Vandalized.

    In the spirit of your Carthage Silver thread...
    Silver Shekel 21 mm x 6.90 grams 264-241 BC
    Carthage Shekel_opt.jpg
     
  15. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Lol I'm that predictable huh? :D Nice silver btw.
     
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