You wanted to, I did..Buyer Beware...Wash edge

"without leaving evidence of abrasion on the edge"...I think that is THE key issue.

Since this sort of technique is used to dress up bag-marked coins and try to manufacture an MS64 from an MS60 - or make a 1922 "No D" Lincoln from a '22-D - this sort of abrasive whizzing should be visible under a good loupe.

Try a 16x on the one you "made"... what do you see ?

 

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I'm with ya, brutha.

I remember back in 1970 there were some 1970-S Lincolns with a huge obverse cud right where "IN GOD" is. They were called "atheist cents". There was a huge frenzy, then the hubbub died down. People were searching bags of '70-S Lincolns, so the price of BAGS skyrocketed !

 

the one he wizzed looks better than any of the one's i've looked at that have the date.

 

VERY WORRYING FOR ERROR COLLECTORS !!!!

I would better weigh them !

 

I don't think I can get a close-up pic. But basically what he said above is correct. It actually looked better than the regular edge. A couple rolls down the driveway took care of that tho. It would probably be better to throw in a sock with a bunch of Sac dollars to give it that true beat up mint bag look.(speaking of which, have any been found in bags or just rolls?)the edges on most of these coins are pretty beat up and marked up to start with. The metal these are made out is VERY tough but it does "polish" quite nicely.(I'll give the mint a little credit for that, tough metal, highly polishable. It does make the proofs really nice) And unlike trying to remove a mint mark where there would almost always be some sort of milling evident because your working on a small area on a larger field. The edge can be made consistant all the way around leaving no real marks, iindents or low areas. Like I said before I 'm just giving a heads-up that this is a very easily made fake and I've seen where they say to weigh it and if it's below 7.8 it's a fake, well you can see by my first post this one passes. If I had a bunch of them (I only got 3 spares)and if I was going to make more (I"M NOT) I'd just find all the "heavier" ones and work with them. Find a 8.2g do the deed and it's still 7.9-8.0g.
To answer someone else's post, yes I think it could be slipped by a TPG. I guess alot would depend on the specific grader, how busy he was, how sick he was at looking at all the ones that are flooding his desk right about now, whether his wife is mad at him, etc...

I'm sure (?) the vast majority on ebay are real but it just strikes me funny when someone with minimal feedback in the middle of Montana or somewhere else far away from where they are being found suddenly has 250 for sale. (I was passing thru Jacksonville on vacation last month and just decieded to buy 100 rolls from the area bank instead of waiting until I got home, I thought it would be easier to carry them half way across the country then to drive the mile to my local bank.But when I did get home, Surprise, Surprise...look what I found! Some people have all the luck!)

Mattman

 

Thanks for the chuckle :smile

More importantly, thanks for the detailed report on how easy this is going to be to fake. There is no way I am going to shell out more than a couple bucks for one of these. As easy as they are to fake, it is going to devalue every real one out there. Wonder how long it will take to see an Adam's on eBay without a side inscription. Someone will probably pay $500 to $600 for it too.

Best Regards

Darryl

 

I'm not sure exactly when the Adams' come out but my guess is the first no lettering examples will show up about 24 hours later. And yes I'm sure someone will pay triple digits for it. Not me tho.

Mattman

 

Yeah...you're just going to be selling them (JUST KIDDING!!!)

 

Not laughing. not even a chuckle.

Mattman

 

NGC remember they even slabbed the so called FIRST STRIKES

 

I was just going to put mine in a 2X2, but after reading this thread, I sent it to get slabbed. NGC. I'll probably immediately put it on ebay. It has the triple error

 

It needs to be re-iterated,

Measuring diameter to 4 significant digits is probably the only way to make an educated decision on authenticity.

I personally will not accuse anyone of fraud, but the measurement is needed to discriminate between and error and one that lost it's inscription due to "normal" wear (even if the wear was accelerated somehow).

As for location, it's possible that people outside of Florida find these. I live in the midwest, but had my sister send me 10 rolls because you can never find a philadelphia coin around here. Imagine my surprise when I found some 50 of these coins. I asked my sister to send me full boxes this time to clear out her bank that she works at. I don't expect to make a fortune on these, but I was hoping to find some more with the die clash (mentioned in another thread here). I wanted to grade the triple error I have and another normal coin with the same die clash. That way, I could prove the mint on the one error I have. I figured it would be a nice addition to my collection.

 

What general area does she live in if you don't mind me asking?

I need to get a good set of digital calipers and a good scale for home that measures grams at least to the 100ths.

Good luck with the TPG and the boxes to come!!!

 

Boy that really inspires confidence...

 

She works at a bank in Brooksville. She said the cash for her bank come from a "Cash Vault" at Suntrust in Tampa. I'm not sure what the "Cash Vault" phrase specifically means, but all the boxes did have the CWI # 103.

 

Matt:
Thanks for a great demo.
I learn something every day.

 

It seems the best policy is to find it in a sealed roll yourself, or only buy slabbed, certified errors. Then if it is a fake the grading service is on the hook for the loss.

 

As has been pointed out, if a fake gets slabbed, it is most probable that it will never be discovered as who breaks coins out of their slab.

 

Perhaps we should slab the sealed rolls?

 

Unless the roll comes directly from the Mint, how do you know it isn't a re-wrap, that may contain circulated coins?

I'm not sure the tiny difference in diameter would be noticeable in hand, at least unless you were specifically checking for a discrepancy.

Among others:

• People who plan on resubmitting in hopes of getting a higher grade
• People who just don't like plastic tombs, and crack out any slabbed coins they accumulate

Lots of forum members have made posts that show they are in one or the other (but almost certainly not both ) of those groups.