1972-D Kennedy Die Clash?

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  1. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Is this a die clash? I'll post some closeups in the next post. Kennedy Die Clash 006.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 006.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 008.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 011.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 005.JPG
     
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  3. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Here are some pics of a couple problem areas. Kennedy Die Clash 002.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 009.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 010.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 012.JPG Kennedy Die Clash 013.JPG
     
  4. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    All I see is a coin struck by an old, deteriorated die.
     
  5. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Looks like a very worn die. Most of the die clash Kennedys that ive seen have feather details at the nape of the neck on the obverse. I can see something there but not sure what it is.
     
  6. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Yeah, that's die wear. When they get like that, they really shine when they're lustrous.
     
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  7. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I couldn't see any details of the reverse or obverse, either. The other reason I asked is because the pics don't reflect that the areas in question are raised. I got it out of a tellers tray at the bank the other day.

    I could see a worn die(s). But, do they really let the dies get that deteriorated? I guess it could have been Friday near quitting time. "Man, that is one messed up coin." "Yeah. Just throw it in the bag and we'll fix it Monday." "Let's go get a beer."
     
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  8. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Oh, one last question. Can it fetch me millions? I need an island vacation.
     
  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    The cheapest lottery ticket is a dollar.
     
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  10. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    Here take a look at that I flipped it and minor color adjustments
     

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  11. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I collected lottery tickets at one time. It didn't get me millions either.

    Bryant M thanks for doing that. I use gimp to scale my pics. But, that's as far as it goes. I would've liked to seen the coin prior to circulation. The coin definitely has some die problems.
     
  12. Bryant M

    Bryant M Active Member

    Yea it does but its not worth much a lil editing can show alot more then what you first see. If you need anything els edited just send me a pic and what you are looking for.
     
  13. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Ok, curiosity and intrigue got the best of me. I kept thinking about it and looking at the coin. I do believe there is a die clash. The reverse clashed on the obverse die is 90 degrees rotated. The shield of the eagle is punched on the cheek of Kennedy. Under Kennedy's eyeball is a star that is above the shield on a normal die. Look up his hairline and that is the right wing of the eagle. I think this picture shows it fairly well.

    Nay or yeah.
     

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  14. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Ok. Think about this a minute. The highest point on a coin is the lowest part of the die. So you are saying that the lowest parts of both dies clashed. For that to happen it would have completed obliterated the highest points.
     
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  15. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Die Erosion. Nothing more.

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    Sometimes, it can be very extreme:

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    Generally, die clashing on the portrait can occur, but I've not seen it on the cheek. Typically, it shows up on the low areas of the coin which translate to the high areas on the die surface.
     
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  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Found some photo's of a Kennedy Die Clash illustrating evidence of the clash on the low points of the coin. (i.e. Neck recess under the jawline and the fields)

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  17. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    I did. For a lot longer than a minute. I gave it to the ANAC rep yesterday and asked what was wrong. Die deterioration, die clash, a reverse CW rotation. He said the mint tried to fix the dies by polishing them. Of course, he is selling grading and attribution certification. I have no plans on getting rid of or slabbing the coin. I really am just interested in the coinage process and the possible problems that arise during this process. I am going to go with the die deterioration explanation. Thanks for answering my questions. I am trying to catch up as fast as I can with the rest of the class.
     
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