My Paduans .. or aftercasts of them ...

I hope i post it in the good section :


As i said in my introduction .. i ' m interested in Paduans for some months ..

Here is my first one .. (and my best one i think) .. a struck one (i think) :



Hadrian Paduan


Avers : HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS


Reverse : FELI-CITATI/ A-VG.


Exergue : COS III PP/ SC


Diameter : 34 mm


Weight : 28,95 g


Ref : Lawrence 47



Confirmed to be a true Paduan on a french forum .. but i take all comments on it .. even if you don' t think it' s a real one ...

I have many links on this Paduan but i' m not sure i can post them here .. (i have to read all rules of this forum before to be sure .. )

It' s not easy to tell it if not in hand i suppose ...

 

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Welcome Vamp. That is a beautiful Peduan. I'm sorry to say I do not own any, but perhaps one day. As far as posting links, I do not know of any rules against it, and, in fact, have posted links in the past. Hope to see more of your collection.

 

Beautiful medal indeed. Congratulations!

 

Welcome => I'm lovin' your first coin (yummy!!)

Oh, and your photography-skills are also very welcome ... cheers!

 

Sounds like a fun thing to collect! Welcome

 

Thank you all ... i have only 5 of them : 3 rather good ..1 average but just a cast copy i think (you ll see it later ) ... 1 very ugly cast copy ...


Well let's go for a second one ( a good one for me .. but need your advice to know if it s a Paduan .. or just an after cast .. or just a modern copy .. if somebody know ) :



DIDIUS JULIANUS (193) medal.

Cast

Avers : IMP CAES M DID SEVERVS IVLIAN AVG PP

Reverse / Exergue : ·COS·II·/ S·C·.

Holed


Ref.: Lawrence, 67;





Klawans, 99, 2.


Reverse is like Syracuse tetradrachms.

Diameter : 38 mm

Weight : 52,4 g !


dont' know if it' s a Paduan (a Cavino' s one) or just an aftercast ..

it' s so hard to find information on them ... i mean to distinguish true Paduan / from aftercast (because some Paduans were cast too sometimes as i know) / or even from modern fakes ...

 

This reverse is very commonly shown with a Lucius Verus obverse of no merit whatsoever. I would say it is not original 'Paduan'.

There are a lot of old fakes that were popular in their day as space fillers and never claimed to be the real thing. My best of these is this Divus Pertinax sestertius.

 

Thank you Dougsmit ! So if i understand i have to put it in "aftercast" of a true Paduan ? In fact i' m a bit lost in the classification of fakes of fakes ... etc ...

i think (but i may be wrong) there are :

1 - true Paduan (Cavino or may be others masters ?)
2 - casts of true Paduans (and how to know the period they were made ?)
3 - modern fakes (bulgarian etc ..)

Am i wrong or is it harder than this classification ?

That' s too many questions i think ..

Thank you for your help ... !

 

Again there not lot of information on the Net .. i found many questions on many forums .. but no good explanations ...

The Lawrence is online .. but it doesn ' t help very well .. i don' t have the Klawans (and i don' t even know if it is good) .. and the other books are in italian (that i can' t read)


PS: sorry for "double post" .. i think i have quoted myself .. wrong manipulation and i don' t know how to erase the second post ...

 

Gotta ask, what is a paduan?

 

About 500 years ago Giovanni Cavino, called il Padovano (because he was from Padua), created quite a few "pseudo-ancient" pieces. Here is a Wikipedia article in Italian ...

PS - He was not the only one who made such pieces that were "inspired" by ancient originals, but I suppose they are called Paduans after him.

Christian

 

grazie

 

Paduan medallions are as collectible as he coins they replicate.

 

Nice looking medal, don't mind adding a few to my collection.

 

glad you asked, i wasn't sure.

i was guessing they were 18 or 19 century , didn't know they were that old.

cool...and pretty.

 

Thank you for all your comments ...

Yes i think Paduans or assimilated (for "assimilated" : it' s a huge type ) can be a collection too ... but so hard to get information on them !!!

Here are the bad ones :

They are aftercasts (may be modern cast) ... i don' t really know ...

This one is average quality for a Vitellius copy (that people call Paduan .. but it' s not a real one (i think .. again i' m not sure))



Cast imitation of a Sestertius of Vitellius



Avers : A VITELLIVS GERMANICVS IMP AVG P M TR P

Laureate and draped bust right



Revers : HONOS ET VIRTVS

Honos and Virtus standing facing one another



Exergue : S C

Diameter : 38 mm

Weight : 18,7 g


Réfs : Klawans 2; Lawrence 27.







and this ugly one ... badly tooled .. a failed tooling :





Cast imitation of a Domitian sestertius

Diameter : 34 mm

Weight : 22 g


Réfs: Klawans 5. Lawrence 40-2

 

You're basically collecting fantasy pieces, so the question of which are legitimate and which are not can only be answered by you. Yes, it's good to own some original Paduans, but they are still fantasy pieces. Are "aftercasts" (as you call them) of the original Paduans less legitimate than the originals? Maybe, but they are also a very interesting part of the numismatics of medals. I imagine you could also assemble a collection of modern fakes - as long as you weren't duped into spending big money on them. That would also be interesting.

It seems to me that when you step into the realm of collecting fantasy pieces and counterfeits, you get to make up your own rules.

 

Yes you' re right John Anthony !

Anyway a true Paduan will always be a greater piece of art i think ... And aftercasts can be good to collect too (that's why i' ve bought the Vitellius and Domitian ones ...) ..

But now i have to get more information on this world (like i try on true roman coins too at the same time ... !!!)

I ve read people who collect modern fakes too (i thought of that too some time ago .. but i didn' t do it)

Here is my last one bought some days ago :




Paduan ? Claude 1



Avers : TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG PM TRP IMP PP


Revers : NERO CLAVDIVS DRVSVS GERMAN IMP / SC


Diameter : 31 mm

Weight : 25,9 g

Ref. : Lawrence 14



Cast paduan ? like these ? :






That' all folk .... for the moment ....

 

I see nothing wrong with collecting fantasy or aftercast coins. It's really about your collection and what makes you happy. Also sometimes it's about price too, I don't know about price difference, but I collect restruck medals. Why? Because the original would cost hundreds more, and the restrikes are just as pretty.

 

I can't say that the struck ones are no prettier. Sharpness counts.
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That 12 Caesars in one piece is quite impressive. I had not seen it before.