1890 RPD?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by JimG2, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. JimG2

    JimG2 Member

    This looks like a RPD to me on the 90. Is this a documented variety? Another general question. I notice a few coins with the very smooth field as seen here. Is this due to very little corrosion vs the ones that show more granularity under high magnification? It is an IHC.
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    No RPD machine doubling.
     
  4. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    With a die chip stuck in there.
     
  5. JimG2

    JimG2 Member

    Above the 9 and 0?
     
  6. HoosierDaddy

    HoosierDaddy Active Member

    I don't see this in any "Snow" varieties. But wait for the experts.
     
  7. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    In between the bottom and top of the nine but overhead might also be one.
     
  8. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    I see something in the lower loop of the last 0, but I'm unsure about what it is. It may well be some die chatter. RPDs on Indian Cents normally show more raised metal. Even if the first punch was mostly polished away, something a little deeper survives--at least for the RPDs catalogued. :)
     
  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    1858 RPD.jpg 1854 RPD 1.jpg Again this is machine doubling over the 0 is dirt / crud.
    Over the 9 may be a die chip closer images would determine that. This is not an over date or RPD. I could post a hundred images of coins where they show the same type of MD in the date or lettering . Look at the two images posted one an 1854 SLH the other an 1858 FEC I only wish these were RPD's
     
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  10. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    More pictures of MD on bronze IHCs would probably be educational for collectors here. :) Most of the MD I've seen is on the CuNi cents, in particular the FE cents as you pictured above.
     
  11. JimG2

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  14. JimG2

    JimG2 Member

    Please help me understand how to distinguish this from the MD in the 1890. Why is there no doubling in the 8?
     
  15. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    The 1882 Snow-1 is different because it's been researched/documented. It's also has the "look" of many other RPDs--clear definition and good separation from the primary digits--only a repunching could explain it. The marks in the 1890 date are light enough to possibly be MD or perhaps some marks on the date punch themselves that transfered to the die--just a few possible explanations. Check out this site for listings of documented RPDs, doubled dies and MPDs (misplaced dates).
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    From the pictures supplied from that e bay link I personally would of never bid it. Your enlarged images truly tells a different story.
     
  17. RBBDoughty

    RBBDoughty Author, President Oklahoma Numismatic Association

    In response to the OP, it is my honest opinion that this is the 1890 RPD-008 or Snow-11. This is my first post, and I'm attempting to attach JimG's photo. I've pointed out die markers in the hair-curls and ribbon which can help identify the variety. These markers can be seen in the Snow guide if you have it.

    I believe the inside bottom loop of the 9 to be peculiar. It appears repunched, but also as though the engraver may have tried to repair that area; it could be die deterioration, die damage from something other than the punch, or a combination of these things. Whatever the case, it isn't smooth as it should be. The inside of the 0 has the loop of another 0 showing somewhat prominently.

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  18. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    I see it now--the 0/0 is an exact match for the S11 in my book--how did I miss that? :) I should've just gone by what I saw right off. The 9 also shows something inside the lower loop, but it's hard to tell what--it could be repunching too.
     
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  19. RBBDoughty

    RBBDoughty Author, President Oklahoma Numismatic Association

    Yeah, this is a strange one. Here is a pic with the repunching pointed out.

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  20. JimG2

    JimG2 Member

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    I was studying other pictures I have of this coin today. Am I seeing a MPD in the denticles between the 9 and 0?
     
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