trade dollar?

What does erevybody think of this trade dollaron ebay. It appears to have some pitts and such. real or not?click here

 

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Why do you doubt that it is not real? Seems fine to me. Nice coin. Do you collect trade dollars, or are you buying just one for a type set? If it is for a type set, you can find nice one's for less money.

 

Hard to say. Trade Dollars are NOTORIOUS for counterfeits; I suppose that's why the guy has the picture of it on the scale, since many counterfeits are off-weight.

Realize that the photo does NOT prove it is on spec weight, and it CERTAINLY doesn't prove this piece is authentic.

Also... The bid right now is $250 (close to closing time). That's a VF price for '74-CC, but the details seem better than VF. Here are the PCGS prices (20% - 30% high)...

http://www.pcgs.com/prices/frame.chtml?type=date&filename=seated_trade_dollar

I don't think this coin is certifiable - I think it's cleaned, and has scratches and bumps. If you're cool with a "problem" coin, and willing to risk a counterfeit, you might get a decent price.

If you want a type coin, there are more common dates... 74-CC isn't rare, but it does carry a bit of a premium.

 

I have one for a type set, I just wondered about the pitts on the gown and the gouge/loss of metal by liberty's feet.

 

It probably would depend on which TPG looked at it whether they would body-bag or net grade it, due to the obvious harsh cleaning, but it bears none of the telltale flaws of a Chinese counterfeit (including a weight shortage of about 80 grains), and I think it is probably that real EBay rarity - a genuine TD.

 

Weight is a method to prove that a coin is counterfeit, but not necessarily to prove that it is genuine. There are counterfeits of Trade and other silver dollars that have the correct weight.

 

Hard to say, but I don't like the look of the denticals on the reverse. The obv looks real, but the denticals on the reverse, especially at the top appear bad and possibly disconnected from the rim. I would say it is suspect. It has also been cleaned and has some scratches. So even if it is genuine, it is not slabbable (Except by ANACS) if that is important to you.

 

pit marks

Does any body else have concers with the pit marks on the coin, or they just look like gouges?

 

I'd love to examine it in hand The coin, the seller's feedback, and the photos all make me want to ask the question, "Can I see the coin in person before I purchase it?"

Take Care
Ben

 

trade dollar

this is the coin that i like most. but i don't have one. it is so expensive. why not produce it again for collectors?.

 

repro

You can find all sorts of "reproductions" from china on ebay.:secret:

 

That's basically the role the American Silver Eagle serves. But I agree, would be nice to put this coin back into production... write your congressman!

They're thinking about doing something similar for the Gold Buffaloes. Maybe they should try that with silver too, have a series of silver coins that reproduce classic coin designs.

 

I don't like the big chunk of missing metal by her toes on the obverse and also the cracks seem suspect. Add to that the color being way off and I would also advise not to purchase that one.

 

I agree.

For those who want an easy pick up point (not sure if that is a correct usage) of an indicator it is counterfeit, the eagle's eye is dramatically different than on the real ones.

 

Pits

I circled the areas that first caught my eye.

 

thanks

Thats a good tip, thanks. Things like this is why I am nervous about buying coins from pics, unless its a common coin or an obvios fake that is easy to spot.
The one thing I really want to learn more about s how to spot counterfeits.

 

Wow, good eye Zane. I see what you are talking about with the pit marks, and IMO I'm going to say fake. The entire thing just doesn't look right to me. But that is just me.

Phoenix

 

Right on.

Moreover... the photo doesn't prove the coin itself is 420 grains. All it proves is that, at one point in time, a certain digital readout had the number "420.0" on it. Nothing more.

Notice the picture doesn't show the entire weighing tray. If the coin were light, an unscrupulous individual could add something to bring the weight up.

The proverbial "thumb on the scale" trick.

Then there's always issues of tare weight, calibration, etc.... on and on.