I almost never buy gold... but I did.

Send it in to whom? NGC? PCGS? ICG? PIG? ANACS? Save yourself the money. The free opinions you received here were able to provide evidence of it being fake. The crazy part is, you are willing to pay for the same opinion.

And you still have it listed on sleazebay.

 

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It would be worth it to get PCGS's opinion... for everyone, not just me. Should I accept the opinion of OldGoldGuy just because your name is OLDGOLDGUY? Because it could very well be that your name is ManureGuy and you still don't know s___.

 

Low blows are an expected reaction when you get called out for slinging a fake gold coin. I guess my gut instincts on you were accurate; incompetent numismatist AND defensively immature. Dangerous combo.

Just so you can see how the other side of the coin looks, if someone had alerted ME that I was in possession of, and trying to sell as authentic, a gold US coin, I would thank them and remove the listing until verified (being that you are incapable of doing this yourself). That's me though.

Also, I wasn't the only one who identified your metal stamping as a counterfeit. Grow up bud.

 

What, we can't be friends? Aww shucks...
Fact is, I value PCGS's opinion slightly more than yours. (Just slightly... don't be offended as I cower in the corner).

 

Also zoom in on the I in LIBERTY on the head dress. Part of the I is missing, and it does not appear to be from damage or a scratch. Just missing a small section of the letter. Also, part of the B is a lot lower than the rest of it. This is not from wear, as it would be impossible for just that tiny section to get wear, and not the high points around it.

 

Of course we can be friends. I just cant buy any coins from you. And I should hope PCGS's opinion is valued more than mine, you pay for it! But I would be willing to bet 9 out of 10 times they would agree with me on this coins authenticity.

However, this completely ignores one major thing. PCGS is going to identify the same evidence as myself and others on this thread. You already have the evidence. Who cares whether you got it from a forum or paid a professional for it. What matters to me is what you do with this evidence. Do nothing and sell it to some poor shmuck on sleazebay, or the right thing which is pull it until you receive the word of PCGS god that its fake.

 

I too would like to know what any slabbing service would say. I do trust their advice on authenticity, just not on grades.

Btw, sorry OP if I started this thread on a bad tack. The first photo just seemed off to me, but I am very open minded and would like to learn if this is a normal appearance for these or not. I always love learning something about coins, and do not care if my initial reservation was warranted or not. I just wish to learn the truth.

 

Since I'm sending it in, I pulled it. I still think it's genuine and your evidence is weak for what it is (my opinion), which is why I left it up until now. And sure... I'll be glad to spend $35 on it to find out. WTH is $35 when we all get to learn something? I'm heading to the Orlando FUN show next week. I'll take it with me and show it to the NGC, PCGS, and ICG guys when they give "free opinions" periodically during the show. If they doubt it's authenticity, then I'll believe it and not bother sending it in. If they think it's real, then great!

 

THIS

 

Let me know where you will be sir and I will make sure to stop by to say hi!

 

I'll be walking the floor for 3 days. Just message me on CT when you're there and free.

 

Well, you're doing the right thing, albeit after being called out over it. I'll be very interested to see how this pans out. I saw the pics on ebay and zoomed in for a better look. There's an odd, small square depression under the second U in UNUM. Very odd to be that perfect. I'd say its as close to a repeating depression as I've ever noticed.

 

The whole coin looks off to me, the same look I've seen on known fakes. After zooming in, there are so many differences when compared to an AU known genuine. Do they use different known dies, that would create obvious differences? If not, it has to be a fake.

 

I don't feel "called out" at all! It is what it is... some people think it's real, some don't. We'll all find out. If I'm wrong and it's a fake, I'll own up to it and be grateful I learned. If others are wrong they can learn too.

 

This is from Heritage: "For 1909 only eight obverse and nine reverse dies were used to strike 217,235 ten dollar gold pieces. As Roger Burdette points out, "Of the coins made at the Philadelphia Mint, a whopping 32,446--nearly 18%--of the eagles struck were defective in weight or striking."

Here's the link: http://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-eagles/eagles/1909-10-ms66-pcgs-for-1909-only-eight-obverse-and-nine-reverse-dies-were-used-to-strike-217-235-ten-dollar-gold-pieces-a/a/422-3167.s

 

Until someone can find a known genuine one that matches this one in some of the highlighted areas, I say fake

 

My Indians 2nd star runs into the feather. What do I do now? Will NGC buy it back?

 

From the US gold counterfeit detection guide. Wandering stars on edge are often mentioned and they're barely noticeable compared to the picture you posted. The stars on this coin wander right off the edge.