1983 P Double Die Obverse & Reverse - Another Undocumented?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by iPen, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    According to the Strike It Rich book, there's no reference to a 1983 P double die, just a floating die clash. Isn't this a double die on the obverse and reverse? Is this undocumented??

    1983 P Double Die Obverse.png

    1983 P Double Die Reverse.png
     
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  3. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

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  4. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the links. For the die deterioration doubling examples in the links, they seem to be "blobby" next to the letters. The ones next to the words in this 1983 P nickel are sharp, uniform, and with a discernible lower relief. Is that DDD, too? If so, how do you distinguish between DDD and DDO/DDR?
     
  5. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Appears to be only one side to me
     
  6. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Here's another great link explaining DDD. The last pic shows a coin similar to yours.

    http://doubleddie.com/144843.html

    Also, read and re-read the section on "How dies are Made". The more familiar you are with the die making process, the easier it is to distinguish the difference.

    Really though, I think it takes finding a real doubled die to understand it. When you find it you WILL know it. It's such a different look. It'll just click.
     
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  7. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    Not on the A, F or S on the reverse.
     
  8. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    I think the letters may be stacked, one closer to the rim, and the other closer to the center, so an up-down doubling. Still not sure what sort of doubling.

    I also see a weird, slightly above surface streak from the bottom of the building through the O in Monticello down next to the S. It's hard to tell and I thought it was a scratch at first, but looking down my loupe it's just barely above the surface. The light also reflects off of the streak on the left side just as it does with the left side of the raised letters.

    1983 P Double Die Reverse 2.png
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2014
  9. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    That line running through the O could be remnants of a clash. The doubling is Die Deterioration. The more strikes a die makes, the outside edges of the crevice, that forms the letters, starts to erode. The parts of the letters closest to the surface of the coin start to widen. It kind of starts to form a V shape inside the letters on the face of the die. I hope that makes sense. I know someone will be able to explain it a little better.
     
  10. Techman10

    Techman10 New Member

    the 83 p looks like machine doubling... but i dont have a trained eye. definitely a cool one tho.
     
  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Not a doubleD die.
     
  12. Kelly ray wilkins

    Kelly ray wilkins New Member

    I have a 1983P nickel. On the reverse the FIV is spread out smother same with the TICEL in monticello. Some damage to the building. The date and mint mark look like a little DD can anyone help me find a price. I'm not a grader. But have studied on grading alot. I would say its a unc mint ms66 its very vine shape
     
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