Salonina from Ilium with edge seam

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by zumbly, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    This Salonina from Ilium, Troas (the site of ancient Troy) neither looks nor feels fake to me, apart from the fact that it has a very obvious seam that runs around almost the entire edge of the coin. It's a lovely piece and from what I can see not very common, so I'm hoping to get some opinions that will help put my concerns about the seam to rest. Thanks!

    Salonina Ilium400.jpg
    SALONINA
    AE22
    4.96g, 22.2mm
    TROAS, Ilium, circa 253 - 268 AD
    Bellinger, Troy, T294; SNG Cop 443
    O: CAΛΩNINA CEB, diademed and draped bust right.
    R: IΛ-IE-ΩN, helmeted and cuirassed bust of Athena right, wearing aegis.

    Pictures of the edge:
    Salonina Ilium edge.jpg
    Salonina Ilium edge2.jpg
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Geez Z-bro, I don't know? (ummm, that probably doesn't help too much, eh?)

    ... yah, that seam does seem a bit suspicious ...

    Hey, but on the bright-side, I think that the coin has great eye-appeal ...

    => good luck
     
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't think it's a seam. I think the flan was chamfered on a lathe. The Ptolemaics and Seleucids used this trimming technology extensively, and sometimes you find it on Eastern Roman Provincials.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    +1
    I hope it tuns out to be normal in this issue as this is a nice looking coin as our little brother said.
     
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  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I need to read up more about lathing machines. I didn't know they could leave ridges along the edges like that.
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I see no signs of casting - the fabric looks good, and I believe the coin is a die match to this one.
     
  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Start here and read through click through all the pages.
     
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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Thanks for the link! I do believe you're right about the die match too.
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    In fact, the vast majority of Ptolemaic and Seleucid coins have some sort of chamfered edge, sometimes forming a V shape, sometimes just a slant that results in one side of the coin having a larger surface area than the other...

    flansimage012.jpg
    The Romans did not adopt this trimming style in the Imperial coinage, but one finds it on Eastern Provincials from time to time.
     
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  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I'm not sure if the thickness of my coin (2.2mm) is pertinent to figuring out if it was indeed trimmed on a lathing machine, but it is probably only a fraction as thick as some of these Ptolemaic bronzes and also thinner than many provincial issues.
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The size of the flan was not a determining factor to the minters that used this technology. Even my smallest Ptolemaic has a beveled edge...

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  13. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Cool coin, never knew about a chamfered edge. I got to look at my coins more closely next time.
     
  14. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Cool new Salmon..:p i mean Salonina, another winner Z..
     
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  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I don't know what the technical term is for it, but I reeled in a two-for-one here - one Salmonina and one anglerfish... I mean Athenafish :).
     
  16. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    What we call around here is a "double header" and you diffidently got that. two fish on at the same time..;)
     
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  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Heh, double header really ought to be a numismatic term as well.
     
  18. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    man, that really looks like a casting seam...but i guess it isn't hu? well, i'm glad, it's an attractive coin Z.
     
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