TPG'S No longer guarantee S.E. Grades.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by tommyc03, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    They certainly take of for milk spots on early silver proof coins, so I'm sure that this would still apply.
     
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  3. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    That's it for me-Marketability, so there is no misunderstanding between me and a potential customer and granted, a TPG may be wrong. But if advertised as the TPG has given a coins status is way safer than bad feedback or customer returns. And one other reason is for buying coins sight unseen and knowing the seller gave you a proper grade and properly described his coin. Especially when I am filling in key dates and M/M's. I need to know I am putting together the best possible collection I can for my hard earned money. Grading, being subjective as it is, I find this necessary.
     
  4. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    And they also take into consideration, wash spots for recent copper coins.
     
  5. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Yes they do.

    I bought a 1993 SAE First Strike™ in MS69 (Pop 20) which had milk spotting. I asked PCGS to crack the coin and dip it to try and halt any additional spotting. I was not seeking a regrade, just a dip and I was forthright with that request.

    They cracked it, dipped it then downgraded it to an MS66.

    I don't know what was dumber. Me asking them in the first place or me expecting that they wouldn't downgrade the coin.

    1993 SAE First Strike Pops.jpg

    1993 was a really bad year for spotting on Silver Eagles and I can almost guarantee that every one in the above report has at least some milk spots.

    BTW, the ONLY way to get a First Strike™ label on these coins is to submit a sealed green monster box of 500 coins that has an inspection slip within it dated before January 30th, 1993.

    These are expensive coins for the First Strike™ Slab collector.

    1993 First Strike 11700643 PCGS MS69 Label.jpg

    1993 First Strike 11700643 PCGS MS66 Slab Obv.jpg

    The spotting was on the reverse........

    1993 First Strike 11700643 PCGS MS66 Slab Rev.jpg
     
  6. Vegas Vic

    Vegas Vic Undermedicated psychiatric patient

    Did they compensate you for the loss of 3 points?
     
  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'd say "these are expensive slabs for the First Strike™ Slab collector", given your experience with the actual coin -- but, yeah.
     
  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    So the dip removed the spots?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'll let him answer, but PCGS has had a standing reward of $25,000, for a long time, for anybody who can come up with a method that will remove milk spots without harming the coin.

    What do you think his answer will be ?
     
  10. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Well...they dipped it and lowered the grade so I'm guessing they were removed.
     
  11. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Yes. Although there were some "negotiations" involved. I did not get anywhere near what I paid but sold the downgraded coin to make up for the difference.
     
  12. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    No way! As you should be able to see from the supplied scans of the coin in the MS66 slab?

    The goal was not to try and remove the spots since I know that this is impossible. The goal was to try and limit any future spotting.

    I've always given my SAE's a quick dip before submitting them since the "milk spots" seem to form mainly with PCGS slabs for whatever reasons.
     
  13. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    They may as well make that reward a million dollars since it's impossible.
     
  14. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I wasn't sure if that scan of the reverse was before or after. Thanks for clarifying.
     
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