bargain bin byzatines

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by chrsmat71, Dec 20, 2014.

  1. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    well, i couldn't let 2014 end without a byzantine coin.

    or two...they came in a mini-lot.


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    Anastasius I
    491-518 AD
    Constantinople mint
    Follis
    33mm
    16.8 g
    SB 20


    and............

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    Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine
    613-641
    Nicomedia mint
    30mm
    11.3g
    SB 834

    the regnal year looks intersting on this one, it appears to be an "II over X", could be III, but i think the circular border of the coin gets in there.
    so is this year 12? or is it subtractive (year 8)?

    anyway, low end coins, but very nice color. and really not that low end for byzantines.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    For Byzantine, they look pretty darn good to be bargain bin. Is the color accurate?
     
  4. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Wow Chris, love the coins and color too!!!, closing out 2014 with a Bang...;)
     
  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    thanks guys

    petty darn, especially on the heraclius. looks better in had, couldn't quite get metal "black" enough in the pics.
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Those are beauties, I would take them.
     
  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I really do love the Byzantines. You are right when you say they are not that low end when it comes to Byzantines. The Anastasius is actually much better than most.

    The ragged flan of the Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine is very appealing and totally interesting. I like how they did such a crappy job that the O in ANNO looks like it is part of the mint name, making it ONIKO. I wonder if it was over stuck on an earlier piece? I dont know if that is the case here because if it is they did a good job and you cant see the underlying type. I really love the flan irregularity. I would welcome something like that in my collection. Somehow I managed to get good Byzantines and they ended up being from Nikomedia.
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=39182http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=39182
    Cool coin! Sear indicates this is II over II and the X you see is from 'noise' from the striking or undertype. The options are years 3, 4 and 5. Sear says the type is overstruck on just about anything and this one is obviously cut down scrap which makes it all the more interesting to me. I believe the small o is just a failure to plan ahead and not from the undertype. Compare it to this one:
    http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=39182
    where the o in NIKO is small and raised suggesting a die cutter in the mood to experiment. Yours has more legend than these should be expected to have. If it has a fault IMHO it is the strong strike erased the undertype which would be nice if we could identify. Considering all the factors, I consider your coin equal to the one linked above which sold for 75 EUR. I would not pay $75 for it but considering it came as a lot, I doubt you did either and, again IMHO, consider it worth more than the Anastasius. Mine is a bigger mess and I'm not sure of the mint (just right of the smaller o in ANNO). If you like coins neat and clean, buy Byzantine gold. If you like messes, a specialized collection of Heraclius would seem an option. rz0340bb1171.jpg
     
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  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    now that's a wonderful byzantine mess!

    thanks DS, i wouldn't have figured that out. i didn't even notice it was overstruck..but pretty obvious now that it is pointed out to me (lines between figures on obverse.

    it was only 28 bucks for both coins, i figured that was a reasonable price for either alone.
     
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  10. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Here is my Anastasius I coin.

    anastasius.jpg

    Anastasius I. AE Follis. 491-518 AD, Constantinople, 16g, 34.10mm

    OBV: DN ANASTASIVS PP AVG. Pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right.

    REV: Large M, star to left, cross above, star to right, A below. Mintmark CON.

    REF: SB 19
     
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  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    These are always my two favourite Byzy-messes to post ... a couple of HERACLIUS Overstruck

    Heraclius. Æ follies (Countermarks)
    610-641 AD
    ca. 616/7-621/2
    Sicilian mint
    Diameter: 29 mm
    Weight: 12.77 grams
    Obverse: Crowned bust of Heraclius facing; to right, monogram; all within circular incuse
    Reverse: SCLs within circular incuse
    Reference: DOC 241b; MIB Km 4; SB 882
    Other: Brown patina. Overstruck on a follis of Justin I from Constantinople, SB 63. Countermark very fine, coin near fine

    Heraclius CM Justin I.jpg


    HERACLIUS AE 40 nummi follis. Struck at Syracuse, Sicily.
    circa 622 AD or earlier
    Diameter: 33.5mm
    Weight: 13.6g
    Obverse: Facing bust of Heraclius, monogram-cross beside, all within 9mm countermarked circle, bust of Anastasius clearly identifiable underneath
    Reverse Large M from original undertype, mintmark CON overstamped with SCLS mintmark
    Other: Overstruck on a large follis of Anastasius from Constantinople

    syracuse heraclius countermark.jpg
     
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  12. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    These are large counter marks, right?
     
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  13. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Nice Byzantine coins. Anytime you can see the legends clearly on one its a pretty good coin.
     
  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    => yes, Gil-galad

    ... I updated my post above (the coins and countermarks are briefly discussed)


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    Last edited: Dec 21, 2014
  16. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Good, glad to see some attribution details.
     
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