Indian cent damage terminology? Second coin ID?

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  1. arkaig1

    arkaig1 Junior Member

    This came from a post-WWII-era set of Indian cent rolls. What is the term for this kind of the damage?

    1888 USA 001 impressed Obs.JPG

    More unusually, the reverse seems to have extrusions, instead of impressions like the obverse, and "fabric" hashing, how?

    1888 USA 001 impressed Rev.JPG

    Also, can you identify the other coin involved? Bolonia, right? But which?

    I found no other coins similarly damaged, nor any coins other than Indian cents.
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

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  4. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure about the reverse. It looks like post minting strike(s) of some sort. I don't see anything Bolonia related, but the "fabric hashing" had to be part of whatever "die" design contained the letters BON...and the other elements. It looks like it was stuck multiple times by the way all the different pieces don't line up...there's no organization to the lay out...almost wonder if this didn't fall into a press of some sort at some factory and got struck multiple times by some thing as it sat in the press loose, bouncing around, before it fell out.

    The obverse has an obvious die clash. they're "caused when a coin planchet fails to be placed between two dies during the minting process, causing the dies to smash together. The design of one or both may impress into the opposite die, causing a "shadow" of the design to appear on subsequent coins minted with the damaged dies. The impact of the two dies may also result in die cracks or defects." You can clearly see the ON and CEN of the ONE CENT from the reverse of an IHC. You can also see more of the affect of the reverse post minting strikes, where the obverse rim, denticles, and other devices got flattened from being smashed when the reverse designs were struck.

    Man, that's a crazy coin...got a lot going on. I'll be interested in the more knowledgeable folks weighing in on this one. Cool find.
     
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  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Both coins are the results of a "squeeze job". Neither is an error. Phankins is wrong neither is a clashed die error.
     
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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Agreed with Conder.

    realize that the letters BON can be read right both ways.
    The B should be inverted but, would look normal if the lettering was NOB
     
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  7. phankins11

    phankins11 Well-Known Member

    I can appreciate the knowledge here...

    I only said the obverse was a clash...not both.

    I realize now that the obverse is not die clash...the clashed shadow design should be up side down and in a different position it it were...part of my learning curve.

    @Conder101 I'm assuming by squeeze job you mean this coin got squeezed between something really hard...wouldn't my imagined scenario of it falling into a factory press somewhere be along the lies of a "squeeze job."

    Can you fill me in on what a "squeeze job" is? Is it something more specific than just post minting strike(s) by something of some sort.
     
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  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Squeeze job:

    Taking two coins, of any kind.
    Press together.

    Then (usually) hit with something hard, like a hammer.

    Both will have the incuse design of each other.
     
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  9. Jim M

    Jim M Ride it like ya stole it

    The weave is probably from the jaws of a vice.. as is the BON. Squeeze job, all damage, nothing even remotely like an error on this coin. Agree with Conder and Treashunt
     
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  10. arkaig1

    arkaig1 Junior Member

    Awesome, folks. Thanks!
     
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