Beginning January 1, 2015 CAC will no longer accept Colonial coinage for stickering!!! Bummer, as I don't have one yet for my Type set. Seems like an odd change. Wonder why. I've reached out to my people, so I might have some answers soon. Here is full message: December 10, 2014 Dear CAC Member: Beginning January 1, 2015 we will no longer accept Colonial coinage for stickering. We will remain an active buyer for CAC Colonial coins, although Colonial issues are a very small percentage of our sale and submission volume. We appreciate your continued support. Sincerely, CAC
Why does the low volume mean they stop stickering them? They also continue to sticker things like DDO Lincoln Cents for certain Memorial Cent years...I could imagine that's a smaller percent volume than Colonials -- so what's the difference? This probably means the colonials with the "magic" bean will start to trade at stupid prices. I mean, more stupid than they already do.
Most colonial collectors don't like their coins slabbed, probably one reason they comprise such a small percentage of submissions. There may not be enough volume to keep people who specialize in colonials on staff.
Bingo . . . their greatest single expense is personnel . . . my guess is that the latest layoff at CAC axed one of their stronger colonial people in favor of adding experts in moderns, where the volume is (right now). Clearly an example of chasing the money first, and serving the industry second.
The first thing I thought when I saw this thread title was "Wow, magic beans on existing Colonials are going to command steeeeeeeeeeeeeep premiums in the near future" - and then I saw BRG5658 beat me to it.
They already have changed their policy from their beginnings...they started to sticker Ike dollars (in just the past couple years). I personally don't think CAC cares about where the volume is -- they don't make any money on the review/stickering process. They make their big bucks by "making" the secondary market in coins with their magic bean. The review/sticker process is a loss leader... If the volume of the colonials really is very low, then I don't understand removing them from the list of things that they will review. It's not as if CAC has to actually grade the coins -- they just have to "agree" or "disagree" with the grade that's already on the slab. Then again, I don't really understand the whole business model of CAC to begin with. They cater to those who can't think for themselves or who want a crutch on which to build an investment. As a collector (not an investor), I collect what I like, not what John Albanese likes. So, I won't ignore a coin with a bean, but I don't give it an added boost. Either I like a coin or I don't -- regardless of the holographic sparkly magical entrancing green bean.
So... if he's "still an active buyer of CAC" coins, does this mean he makes offers on all coins that sticker? How does that work?
Yes. CAC will make an offer, you can choose to accept, then a significant portion of those purchased coins get marked up slightly and unloaded at their dealer-only, monthly fee website.
It's all purely conjecture . . . I'm just venting about modern management practices in general, and am not really directing my comments at CAC in particular . . . I suppose I should have replaced "clearly" with "possibly".
Yes, that's how lots of people do it, or you can just ask for an offer on any CAC coins already in your collection. Send an email or call. I have heard offers are generally strong, but another member from CT told me this week that they got a very low offer on a coin, and ended up selling it locally to a retail dealer for more, which was the first time I've heard that. So I guess it is not always favorable, but certainly worth the try.
Colonials are stupid expensive to get slabbed too $55 at pcgs I think $45 at ngc I gotta check. Why I keep a lot of em raw and I got quite a few in anacs slabs too and I leave them as they are. Unless you got a big dollar colonial is not cost effective. Is why I've never bothered sending any. That and a lot of colonial coppers have some degree of porosity
I'm afraid of this. I am not ready to start researching and buying my colonial types for my CAC Type set. Once I get around to it, if what you are guessing is true, i'll have to pay some 2x premium to get CAC approved colonials. I agree with you this is likely to happen. I don't agree with you that the stickers are worthless.
If you are fine with paying 2x more for a shiny sticker than committing the time needed to learn for yourself, then that is your prerogative. Some people value their time differently than others. If you need the crutch, then go for it.